Evidence of meeting #119 for Justice and Human Rights in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

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Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Jean-François Lafleur

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

On a point of order, is the member suggesting that she's supporting the motion? In that case, we could just go to a vote. We're actually providing the opportunity to Mr. Viersen to be able to speak to this important bill. We're trying to save it by giving the extra 30 days, because he has been so busy; that's what he says. If we're going to talk about transparency, what is he actually trying to avoid by not appearing here today? I think that is the question.

If Ms. Ferreri is suggesting that she's going to support us in allowing us to do the important study of this bill, which we agree—

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Madam Chair, that is not a point of order. That's debate.

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

Ms. Ferreri.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Michelle Ferreri Conservative Peterborough—Kawartha, ON

Madam Chair, I think what they're missing is that they're stuck on a person coming to testify at this committee whom the clerk must invite. That is standard procedure. What we are saying, in the committee of justice, is that crime has never been so rampant as under this Prime Minister, under this Liberal-NDP coalition.

Yes, we would like to study bills that will help Canadians feel more safe—

James Maloney Liberal Etobicoke—Lakeshore, ON

On a point of order, Madam Chair, this is verging on ridiculous.

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

I'm going to clarify here. I've already said, and I will say it again, that the sponsor of the bill—not another member and not a witness from the outside, but the sponsor of the bill we're talking about—has already been invited by the clerk. That's just so there's no misunderstanding here or any mixing of words.

The clerk will reinvite the sponsor of the bill—

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Michelle Ferreri Conservative Peterborough—Kawartha, ON

“Reinvite”? Has he already been invited?

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

Yes.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Michelle Ferreri Conservative Peterborough—Kawartha, ON

Thank you for clarifying.

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

We have been seized with this bill since May 8.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Michelle Ferreri Conservative Peterborough—Kawartha, ON

Okay. Thank you for that.

I think what I would like to circle back to here is that these are the games you see repeatedly by the Liberals.

I want to read this, because this is really what it comes down to. They actually don't care about public safety. I'll read the tweet by Mr. Maloney into the record.

James Maloney Liberal Etobicoke—Lakeshore, ON

Good.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Michelle Ferreri Conservative Peterborough—Kawartha, ON

It says, “Justice Committee is ready to study @ArnoldViersen’s Private Member’s Bill.

“We’d like him to appear to speak to this Bill before the deadline.

“Arnold: will you appear? Or is Pierre gagging you because you keep fighting against women’s right to choose?”

This is the classic Liberal way: Oh, we're losing, so let's talk about abortion.

The last thing I need, Madam Chair, through you, is some Liberal man to tell me about my right to choose.

James Maloney Liberal Etobicoke—Lakeshore, ON

Like Arnold.

Voices

Oh, oh!

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Michelle Ferreri Conservative Peterborough—Kawartha, ON

What we are here to do is to point out the justice failures of this government. This is the reality they have. They laugh—

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

I have a point of order.

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

Before you go to the point of order, Mr. Viersen was invited by the clerk on September 26 to appear at the meeting of Monday, October 7.

I don't know how many points of order I have here.

Mr. Brock.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

The display of several members on the opposite side of this committee room is disgusting. Laughing and mocking the commentary from a colleague on a very important issue is absolutely disgraceful. I want to raise that as a point of order first.

Secondly, they should show a modicum of respect. Instead of catcalling from the other side of the room, they should allow my colleague to finish her intervention. They too will have the floor at some point in time, and we will extend the same respect. That's how this committee should be working.

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

I don't know if I'm supposed to respond to that, but I don't really see any more mocking from one side or the other. I think I've seen enough on my left side as well.

In any case, I'll go back to Ms. Ferreri—

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Madam Chair, I raised the point of order because they were talking over my colleague. That's why I raised the point of order.

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

Ms. Dabrusin.

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

If I may, Madam Chair, I was actually just agreeing with Ms. Ferreri. I don't want a man like Mr. Viersen deciding my right to choose. I was actually showing support.

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

Okay.

Ms. Ferreri, go ahead, please.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Michelle Ferreri Conservative Peterborough—Kawartha, ON

What I was saying at the beginning.... Obviously, the Liberals want to interrupt me. I get it. They don't want to hear this. They don't want this public. They don't want the record of their Prime Minister, who, quite frankly, most of them don't support.... All you have to do is go to question period and see the empty benches to see what's happening. That is the reality.

The tweet about “gagging” is so hypocritical when you have, literally, a guy.... This was the former parliamentary secretary to the Prime Minister, who was on record just days ago saying that this man is a full-blown narcissist and a dictator. That is what you're dealing with. Then, this Liberal member has the audacity to say that we're being gagged by our leader.

I want to talk about the bill at hand, because this comes back to the public safety crisis that's been created in this country under the Liberal and NDP coalition. The bill says this:

This enactment amends the Criminal Code to prohibit a person from making, distributing or advertising pornographic material for commercial purposes without having first ascertained that, at the time the material was made, each person whose image is depicted in the material was 18 years of age or older and gave their express consent to their image being depicted.

That comes back to everybody asking, “What's the relevance of what you're talking about?” This is the justice committee, and the stats.... Just go outside. This is what I can't stress enough, Madam Chair. They've made their position clear on what they're trying to stop here, and it has nothing to do with justice being served in this country. It has nothing to do with the public safety crisis that has happened under the watch of Justin Trudeau and his incompetent ministers. That is the reality of what we're saying. Trafficking in persons is up 84%. There is a direct link to all of this and to young men being exposed to pornography, so of course we want to study this.

I'm going to come back to the anti-Semitism study: My colleague Mr. Brock put forward in a dilatory motion that we get back to studying this. Clearly, the Liberals have no interest in actually delving into the justice that has been destroyed in this country and the public safety that's been destroyed. I want to reiterate that, and I hope that we will have the support of the folks across the way, because we have two studies happening in this committee, on Islamophobia and on anti-Semitism, and clearly these members of Parliament, much like the whole Liberal caucus, are not talking to each other.

I will read this into the record: “New data reveals antisemitic hate crimes are up 400% after 9 years of Trudeau. 2/3 of all hate crimes are against Jews in Canada. When will Justin Trudeau finally take antisemitism seriously?”

That is a direct tweet from my friend and colleague and fierce Jewish advocate Marty Morantz. That is what we would ask here today, to get to the dilatory motion of that.

There is one final piece I want to leave on this, because I know there are a lot of victims and survivors watching at home. Mr. Maloney wrote a tweet, and he said, “My heart is with all the victims who are going through unimaginable pain. It's disgusting to see their tragedy used to score political points. We all need to work with law enforcement to prevent these crimes and support victims. This has nothing to do with 'Liberal policy.'”

Well, Mr. Maloney, I'm not sure how long you've been here, but every single thing has to do with policy. That is the law, and that is politics. These politics and these policies, as you've heard directly from survivors, are killing women, children and innocent people on the street. For you to say, “This has nothing to do with 'Liberal policy'”, through you, Madam Chair, is shameful. It's shameful.