Evidence of meeting #123 for Justice and Human Rights in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was interpretation.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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Laurie Sargent  Assistant Deputy Minister, Indigenous Rights and Relations Portfolio, Department of Justice

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

The TPS called for enhanced penalties for gun smuggling and gun trafficking. We enacted those penalties and enhancements in Bill C-21, which that member voted against—

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Thank you, Minister. This is my time.

We know that indigenous people are more likely to be victims of crime. This has been reiterated in numerous government studies, such as the MMIWG and the TRC. The statistics don't seem to have changed much since these reports were made public. In 2022, StatsCan reported that nearly two-thirds, or 62%, of indigenous people have experienced at least one sexual or physical assault after the age of 15.

Will you, Minister, commit to reinforcing the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights to better protect indigenous victims of crime and uphold the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act?

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

I absolutely commit to ensuring that people are protected from things like sexual assault, including indigenous people. I applaud the member opposite for noting that indigenous people are overrepresented, both as accused and—

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Will you reinforce the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights?

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

Madam Chair, could I finish my response, please?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

Yes, go ahead, Minister.

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Liberal

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

I applaud the note and the recognition that indigenous people are overrepresented in our system, both as accused and as victims.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Will you reinforce the Victims Bill of Rights, Minister?

It's a simple question. Yes or no?

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Liberal

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

We conducted a study of a review of the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights—

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

The answer is no. Thank you.

Would the minister consider a similar approach to victims' rights—

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Liberal

James Maloney Liberal Etobicoke—Lakeshore, ON

Madam Chair, I have a point of order.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

We have 30 seconds left.

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Liberal

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

I would like to finish my response, Madam Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

I hear a number of points of order.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Madam Chair, could I raise an issue, please?

Generally, when we pose a question—

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Liberal

James Maloney Liberal Etobicoke—Lakeshore, ON

He can't make a point of order on his own time, Madam Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

Actually, I was at another committee and they made that very clear. It's true.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Madam Chair, generally you afford a witness the same amount of time it takes for the question to be put. That is not being done here.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

That's not being done here. That's my fault. You're taking a lot more time to ask the question and you're not allowing the minister the time to respond.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

The reason I'm taking a lot more time to ask the question is that the Liberal members are constantly interrupting. I constantly have to go back to the original question and repeat myself. That's what's happening here.

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Liberal

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

I can do it in 10 seconds, Madam Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

Listen, we had stopped the clock. I'm not going to keep stopping the clock.

Can we please continue with that now?

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

I'm moving on to another question.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

Before you do.... Minister, have you responded to that last question?

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Liberal

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

Madam Chair, we put reverse onus for bail for intimate partner violence, which assists indigenous women. That was Bill C-75 and Bill C-48.