That's based on the research. The biggest disconnect between research and evaluation and policy is probably in mandatory minimums, at least in the criminal justice system. That research is pretty clear. It's often not super-clear, and many times findings are mixed, but in terms of what I told you in my testimony, there is a consistent finding in research over several decades. This is where policy-makers in the United States have generally not listened to the research.
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