Like I said, some of these programs really are targeting high-risk youth, those living on the streets and those coming out of care. There are some really good programs. There's one called BladeRunners. I always described it as one that's run on the streets. It's really embraced by the youth on the street because they see their friends who have gone into it be successful, get a life and get a career. I've actually had a lot of young people come up to me during the course of my work and ask if we could help them, how we could we remove these criminal records, because they say they can't access the program with a criminal record. They've got to wait for a pardon and all of that.
I just read with interest.... What's that line you have in here? It's something like, “Would prison do more harm than good?”