The question is to identify who's responsible.
With respect, Dr. Fry, when you talk about the managers, it's as if suddenly we have a bunch of managers who are certified health care professionals, who are nurses, who are long-term care professionals and who are suddenly not doing their job. I find that a little hard to accept as the reason that this happened, because those people are extremely dedicated and work very hard every day, and they have no interest in not doing their job well. To me, the people who had an interest in saving money are the ones we need to look at, who are responsible for that higher rate of death.