Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you to the witnesses for being here and for giving us your very important expert evidence on an important issue.
Before I go on, I am going to address this to the chair. I was looking forward to the next panel of department officials, because I had some important technical questions about numbers of convictions, what's wrong with the existing legislation and what this bill could improve. I understand they're not coming.
I am particularly troubled, because we're getting competing evidence from our witnesses today. It's very valuable evidence—thank you for that—but one witness is saying that we need to broaden the definition of “manager” and another is saying we need to narrow it down, so we really do need expert help, and I am disturbed we're not going to be seeing that today.
We have these important witnesses in front of us, so I am going to ask them some questions.
Ms. Silas said in her evidence that she is advocating a narrower definition of “manager”. She said it shouldn't include lower-level workers, like the scheduler and the purchasing agent, and maybe not even the director of nursing, but it should be focused only on the person making financial decisions. She also said in her testimony that the history of the neglect of seniors is worse in for-profit homes than in not-for-profit homes.
My question is to both Jodi Hall and Terry Lake. Is that your experience in your fields and with your associations?