No. That's a fair point.
We will have a four-minute round with the witnesses. We'll start with that. Our apologies for the delay.
Welcome to meeting number 76 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.
Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the House on October 5, 2023, the committee is meeting in public to continue its study on the subject matter of Bill S‑12.
After the first panel, I'll ask for a motion on Bill S‑12, but I think right now, due to the fact that we're so delayed, we'll simply start with questioning the witnesses for four minutes each.
I will start with Mr. Van Popta, please.