With all due respect, Minister, there are thousands of practising lawyers, you and I among them, and we're saying that just one person should be chairing it, given the high stakes here.
The reality is that Canadians elect us. They put their trust in us. Very few of us are elected with perhaps 50% plus one, but we are all duly elected. I'm not following the logic in saying that this is such an important process that....
You and I are on the same page there, but if you say that we need an outside chair, one person who will be representing academics across the country, then you don't have them as a chair. You have them as a witness, because then they give evidence. The chair's job is to be independent and to have this committee function. If the whole point of this is to have an academic voice, then they shouldn't be in that seat; they should be in the other seat over there.