Minister, I don't want to spend all of my time on this, but my point is that if you want to hear from somebody, they're supposed to be a witness.
You're right. We shouldn't be hearing from a witness and we should be hearing from the candidates themselves, but to say that we're supposed to be hearing from a witness and we're going to be hearing from an academic and we're going to put them in a chair, in my view, is inconsistent with the principles of our parliamentary democracy.
Can I ask which jurisdiction that other candidate was from who was deemed exceptional?