Justice Committee on April 29th, 2026

Evidence of meeting #27 for Justice and Human Rights in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was ruling.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Bill C-16

Members speaking

James Maloney
Elizabeth May
Leah Gazan
Patricia Lattanzio
Andrew Lawton
Anthony Housefather
Iqra Khalid
Larry Brock
Roman Baber
Anju Dhillon
Rhéal Fortin
Amarjeet Gill
Marilyn Gladu

Before the committee

Levman  Senior Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Burt  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Taylor  Senior General Counsel and Director General, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Wong  General counsel, As an Individual
Legault  Legislative Clerk
Ellison  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Policy Sector, Department of Justice

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Mr. Baber, what's your question of privilege?

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

I am a member of the justice committee, studying a bill. I have a genuine question for the officials on criminal law before we proceed. Will you not allow me to pose my question?

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

No.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

Thank you.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Okay.

We're moving on to CPC-4.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Patricia Lattanzio Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

CPC-3 is out of order.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

CPC-3 is out of order, yes.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Patricia Lattanzio Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

It's out of order. Okay.

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Conservative

Andrew Lawton Conservative Elgin—St. Thomas—London South, ON

I challenge that.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

You're challenging it.

Mr. Clerk.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

If I may, I've already heard your ruling, but I have not been able to make any submissions. I'm not asking for submissions. I just want to understand clarifications.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

I'm not asking for submissions either, just so we're clear.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

Okay.

5:05 p.m.

The Clerk

Shall the chair's ruling be sustained?

(Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas 6; nays 5)

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

The ruling that CPC-3 is out of scope is sustained.

We're now moving on to CPC-4, which I am also ruling out of scope for the same reasons as the previous proposed amendments.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

May I raise a point of clarification?

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

You may, Mr. Baber.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

Thank you.

I'd like the officials—

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

No. Raise it with me. Are you asking the officials?

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

I want them to clarify something about the legislation.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Is it to do with the ruling and whether it is in scope or not?

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

Maybe not. I don't know.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

You're the only one who knows the answer to that question, Mr. Baber.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

I cannot—

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Perhaps you can enlighten us.