Evidence of meeting #27 for Medical Assistance in Dying in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was disability.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Joint Chair  Hon. Yonah Martin
Catherine Claveau  President of the Quebec bar, Barreau du Québec
Gabrielle Peters  Co-Founder, Disability Filibuster
Krista Carr  Executive Vice-President, Inclusion Canada
Sylvie Champagne  Secretary of the Order and Director of the Legal Department, Barreau du Québec
Marie-Françoise Mégie  senator, Quebec (Rougemont), ISG
Stanley Kutcher  Senator, Nova Scotia, ISG
Pierre Dalphond  Senator, Quebec (De Lorimier), PSG
Pamela Wallin  Senator, Saskatchewan, CSG
Christie Duncan  As an Individual
Alicia Duncan  As an Individual
Mauril Gaudreault  President, Collège des médecins du Québec
Kerri Joffe  Staff Lawyer, ARCH Disability Law Centre
André Luyet  Executive Director, Collège des médecins du Québec

10:45 a.m.

As an Individual

10:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Christie Duncan

He does not support us. He had caregiver's fatigue. It was a lot. He was taking care of my mom. Besides my sister and me coming in on the weekends to help bathe her, he was there 24 hours a day, and we believe that he had caregiver's fatigue.

10:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Alicia Duncan

He specifically told us that as hard as it would be—

10:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Christie Duncan

As horrific—

10:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Alicia Duncan

—as horrific as it would be for our mother to pass, at least he could get his life back. He said that to us two weeks before she died.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Joint Chair Liberal Marc Garneau

Thank you, Senator Dalphond.

Senator Wallin, we'll try this again. I hope your voice quality is higher.

10:45 a.m.

Senator, Saskatchewan, CSG

Pamela Wallin

Okay. [Technical difficulty—Editor]

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Joint Chair Liberal Marc Garneau

I regret to say that it's not any better. I'm terribly sorry.

Next is Senator Martin.

10:45 a.m.

The Joint Chair Hon. Yonah Martin

For Christie and Alicia Duncan, first of all, I just want to say that I think how both of you are working so hard to take on the system to in essence get to the bottom of what happened is very admirable. My sister and I suffered through a situation of thinking we should do the same after our father's death, but we just didn't have the energy, nor the means. I empathize with you greatly.

Would you explain how the Abbotsford police did get involved? Was it just through your request? To launch an investigation, there must have been a reason or grounds for that.

10:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Alicia Duncan

Yes. Thank you.

I had contacted the Abbotsford Police Department. My sister works for the RCMP, and we decided that we were going to review the Criminal Code after we received my mom's medical records. They didn't indicate any.... There was no terminal illness noted. The doctors had done extensive testing to rule out all forms of terminal illness. As well, we had an autopsy completed after her death to confirm that there was no terminal illness.

There are so many contradictions in the Criminal Code itself, and we just didn't understand how she was not facing a foreseeable death but then didn't have to go through the 90-day assessment period. It was fast-tracked. She died within a week of initially applying. The doctor who assessed her subjectively decided that her death was foreseeable.

My mom was essentially starving herself. She was paranoid. I have records. She spent over $6,000 contacting a psychic to find out if foods were contaminated with lead poisoning. She was energy-testing her food before she ate it. She was highly paranoid. It didn't make sense. We went to the police with all the information we had. They also agreed that there was no clear information, which is why they initiated the investigation.

10:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Christie Duncan

They did a very thorough investigation. They spent almost eight months on this, because they also couldn't understand why it wasn't followed. There are so many contradictions between what we've been told and what's in the documentation that it seemed suspicious to them too. That is why they spent eight months investigating.

10:50 a.m.

The Joint Chair Hon. Yonah Martin

You mentioned there wasn't continuity of care, so there is also that challenge in trying to piece the parts together.

You also said you weren't sure whether she qualified under track one or two, because of how quickly it was done. Is that correct?

10:50 a.m.

As an Individual

Alicia Duncan

That's correct. She had no terminal diagnosis, so we assumed it was under track two, but she didn't have to go through the 90-day assessment period.

We just need clarification. We need the documentation to confirm that all the safeguards were followed.

10:50 a.m.

As an Individual

Christie Duncan

She wasn't at risk of losing her ability to consent. She was of sound mind, but that does not mean she wasn't suicidal. Being depressed doesn't make you not of sound mind. It makes you want to die, and that is what she got.

10:50 a.m.

As an Individual

Alicia Duncan

When we went through the courts and had her application postponed, she was so upset that she slit her wrists. It was then she was considered to be suicidal and put in a psychiatric unit for the last two days of her life. Within four hours of being released, MAID killed her.

10:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Joint Chair Liberal Marc Garneau

Thank you.

Thank you, Senator Martin. I'll turn it back to you now.

10:50 a.m.

The Joint Chair Hon. Yonah Martin

I want to thank all the witnesses who appeared before our committee today.

Thank you so much for taking the time, as well as for sharing with us your very important words.

With that, colleagues, I will bring this meeting to a close.

The meeting is adjourned.