Evidence of meeting #5 for National Defence in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was exercise.

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D. McFadden  Commander, Canada Command, Department of National Defence
R. Davidson  Director of Staff, Strategic Joint Staff, Department of National Defence

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rick Casson

I call the meeting to order.

Today, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted on Monday, February 23, 2009, we have a briefing on the security preparations for the Vancouver 2010 Olympic Winter Games. That's the first order of business. After that we have a notice of motion from Mr. Wilfert to deal with.

I'd like to welcome Vice-Admiral McFadden, Commander, Canada Command, and Rear-Admiral Davidson, Director of Staff, Strategic Joint Staff.

I understand, Admiral McFadden, that you have a presentation to make. Then we'll get into the questioning. You are familiar with committees and how they function, I'm sure.

Sir, the floor is yours.

3:35 p.m.

Vice-Admiral D. McFadden Commander, Canada Command, Department of National Defence

Thank you.

Good day, Mr. Chair.

First I want to say that it's an honour for me to be invited to speak to you about the Canadian Forces' preparations for the Vancouver Olympic and Paralympic Games security between January and March of 2010. I am very pleased to do this.

I have prepared a very short brief describing the types of activities in which we are taking part, the planning underway, schedule of main activities and an overview of the operational structure in which security planning is taking place. However, first of all, I believe it would be proper to speak about the context in which operations are occurring and the way in which, internally, controls are continuing to be developed and expanded.

To be clear, the RCMP is the organization responsible for planning and implementing security operations for the games, and the Canadian Forces are providing support.

This is not a unique circumstance. In fact, the Canadian Forces contribute to security efforts and logistics support for most major national special events, working in support of the RCMP or other law enforcement agencies. We did so for the Montreal Olympics in 1976 and for Calgary in 1988.

Today is different, because the need for security is of heightened concern, and the means by which it is assured are more complex and comprehensive than was the case before. The importance of security and of having confidence that we do it well is perhaps best expressed not by those of us charged with the task but by others who have been seized by its importance, certainly for the Olympics.

Dr. Jacques Rogge, president of the International Olympic Committee, made the following statement three months after Vancouver was awarded the games:

The games have survived many things, from boycotts to organization that was not as good as it should have been. ... But we have to ensure that there are no security breaches and that is why I put security at the top of the list of priorities.

Clearly, security is an important responsibility of the host country. However, we understand that all eyes must remain on the sporting events and the athletes. Ensuring this balance between adequate preparation and the guarantee that this preparation will have no impact on the normal and smooth operation of such events is at the heart of a modern approach to defence and security planning in Canada.

Over the past few years, we have implemented a much more exhaustive security architecture and it was used during the G8 Summit in 2002, at the 2007 North American Leaders' Summit and at the Francophonie Summit last year. Those experiences were enriching for us all.

The 2010 Olympic and Paralympic Games represent a complex challenge in terms of security. They are not the first, but they will help to reinforce an architecture through a government-wide approach that will allow us to achieve the desired results, meaning safe games.

The Canadian Forces and the unique capabilities that we provide form part of that effect. I talk to you today in response to your request for information, but I do so as the commander of Canada Command, a relatively new organizational structure of the Canadian Forces and one specifically created to support delivery of the effect I've just described.

Certainly for the first time in our history, and in underscoring a “Canada first” approach to operations, all CF domestic operations are placed under a single commander, and at present I have both that privilege and responsibility. So if you have questions, I am the individual either to give you the answers you need, to find the answer if I don't have it, or to tell you why your question can't be answered.

I would now ask that you turn your attention to the slides before you, which I have prepared for your reference as an overview of Canadian Forces support to the security requirements of the games, showing how our activities come about and how they are embedded within an integrated security approach.

As you can see on slide 2, the involvement of the CF in supporting both the planning and conduct of security operations in Vancouver results from a formal request by the Minister of Public Safety to the Minister of National Defence, which occurred in August of 2007. The list you have before you is of those general military capabilities that are being provided in response to that request and in support of the RCMP.

Based on that response, the next slide shows the intent of the Chief of Defence Staff. He identifies the priority of the mission and the general scope of the military contribution. His intent also notes the requirement to sustain appropriate readiness to support other domestic needs should these arise elsewhere in the country. And, finally, it defines and tasks his direct subordinate commanders--me and the commander of NORAD.

As I said in the introductory remarks, this operation is undeniably complex, but it does afford significant opportunity for us to plan, practise, and conduct it in a more comprehensive manner than was the case in the past. This truly is a whole-of-government effort that is improving governance structure and planning amongst departments, as well as with our U.S. partners, and one that is moving us all to a more considered and deliberate method of preparing for special security events of this or a similar nature.

The role of the Canadian Forces and of the Department of National Defence in doing that is appreciable, but it is guided by these two specific limitations. I've already mentioned them, but they bear repeating. We are in a support role to a lead agency, the RCMP, which sets the security requirements. Our contribution and certainly the physical presence of the CF and the action we take will be low profile.

The next slide is really just to show you the organizational structure that is in place for Vancouver 2010 at the federal level. It may be of use in focusing some of the questions you have with respect to the whole-of-government effort of which I've spoken.

The slide after that then relates to the ground and shows how it has been divided by the RCMP into two distinct areas of operation or responsibility, which are referred to on the slide as AORs. These are the Vancouver area, which encompasses the greater Vancouver regional district and all of the venues that are identified in the lower left corner of that slide, as well as the Cypress Mountain area on the north shore of Vancouver; and the Whistler AOR, which contains the venues not only in the community of Whistler itself but also in the Callaghan Valley to the west and along the length of the Sea-to-Sky Highway on the east side of Howe Sound, through Squamish, Whistler, and on to Pemberton.

My final slide shows the timeline of preparation and when the Olympic and Paralympic games will occur. The countdown clock is right across the street, and I'm sure you see that every day. We're now at 347 days to go. This also shows the major Government of Canada exercises that are getting us ready and when they occur. We have completed Exercise Bronze. That was done last year as a regional table-top exercise to establish a common baseline understanding of what departmental plans are required and what linkages must be established between them.

Exercise Silver then occurred last month. That was a major live play of numerous security injects to stress procedures and to afford the opportunity to modify and refine plans as required. This was the largest whole-of-government exercise ever conducted in Canada. It came hard on the heels of Exercise Bronze and was deliberately set so as to replicate the conditions that will exist during the games: winter in the Lower Mainland of the west coast and in the sea and air approaches.

Exercise Gold, which will occur in November, will be a validation exercise to confirm we all have it right, we being the whole-of-government structure that will be deployed to ensure a safe and secure games.

I would now be pleased to answer your questions. You have before you some slides that you could consult for your information or, if you wish, to help you formulate your questions.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rick Casson

Thank you very much.

We'll start the questions with the official opposition. This is a seven-minute round.

Mr. Wilfert, go ahead.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, gentlemen, for coming here today.

I have a series of questions, Mr. Chairman. I will put them on the floor.

What level of communication has occurred with the Americans regarding the coordination of our security for the games with the Department of Homeland Security and Border Services? How is that information managed and coordinated between the different agencies and different orders of government?

With most of our helicopters involved in our mission in Afghanistan, how will the military air needs in Afghanistan balance those of the Olympics to ensure that air surveillance for this complex geographic area and search and rescue responsibilities are sufficiently met?

The federal government has agreed, with the Province of British Columbia, to be responsible for any increase in the security budget, currently estimated at $647.5 million. If the budget is based on a potential medium-security threat, are there any projections for what a budget might look like under a high-security threat?

How much would a high-security threat cost? What resources would be needed? Could you elaborate on the contingency fund and available resources of personnel reserved for such a plan? What impact would the current wage agreement dilemma between the government and the RCMP have on the overall forces manpower? Who would be responsible for providing those additional resources since the RCMP and Canadian Forces are significantly stretched as it is?

Finally, with the population influx, there are increased security implications regarding prostitution and human trafficking. Has this been calculated into our overall security strategy? Who is responsible for the execution of that strategy?

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rick Casson

You have five minutes to answer that.

3:45 p.m.

VAdm D. McFadden

Sir, I'll start with communications with the United States. I've made the point that this is undeniably a whole-of-government effort to establish that communication, so there are far more linkages established than simply a military-to-military connection with the United States. I am aware that this is being done with police services, it is being done with Health Canada, and it is being done by all of the agencies I am aware of that are engaged in this planning process.

There is no doubt we have a deep relationship on a military-to-military basis with the United States. The geography of where the games will occur--Vancouver--make them very close to the international border; therefore, there are very substantial plans under way within the United States both to ensure their preparedness and also to liaise with us in a military sense. That coordination has been extensive. It will continue. We will ensure that we each know what the other is doing with respect to the plans they're making for the games.

The military-to-military relationship is essentially led by the relationship between my command and U.S. Northern Command. We have been close in our discussions with them to ensure we each know what's happening so that if there were to be a need for support, measures would be in place so it could happen effortlessly, provided the government asked for that level of support. So very extensive communications have been going on, to my knowledge, by all agencies with their American counterparts.

Your second question had to do with availability of helicopters. Sir, there is no doubt that 2010 will be an extremely busy year for the Canadian Forces. We have had to ensure that we coordinate the assignment of resources to make sure we can accomplish all the missions that are on our plate for that period. One of the real benefits we have is the fact that we will have had about three years of planning this event before the Olympics occur. So there has been a long planning process to make sure we're being as efficient as we possibly can, and it's a short-duration engagement--the deployment and employment piece will be of short duration.

Yes, those resources are being called upon for many requirements, and some very extensive discussions have been going on to ensure that we are able to meet that requirement. That's one of the real benefits of having the opportunity to plan in advance.

Sir, in terms of explaining what a whole-of-government process for the response is, we have been very pleased with the means by which the RCMP has adopted an integrated fashion to be able to do this. So it's not only within the Canadian Forces that we have been ensuring the most efficient assignment of resources, but we've been doing that also with our security partners across the whole of the federal government. So the planning time that we have, the efficiencies we're able to achieve by doing that, and the new way of looking at how we would deliver in an integrated fashion have certainly helped to ensure that we do not over stretch.

The third question you asked, sir, was on the extent of the types of deployments and contributions we're making, and that obviously is dependent upon the level of security response that would be required. We are planning, in conjunction with the RCMP's request, to have a level of contribution that will be scalable. By scalable I mean that we are ensuring we have both deployed and placed at readiness forces that could respond to a fairly broad range of threat scenarios that could materialize. The RCMP will lead in determining what they believe the threat envelope is. We are putting in place a program in conjunction with them that would be scalable to that need.

I would not be able to comment upon the monetary costs of that; I don't have any information to do that. I am aware that the personnel resource costs are already part of the planning cycle that we're involved in.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rick Casson

We have only a few seconds left. There were a couple more questions. One was to do with the general increase in population and the chance for human trafficking. We're out of time in this session, but we're going to have lots of time to get back to that. We have these gentlemen for almost two hours, so you'll have a chance to pose your questions again.

Mr. Bachand, seven minutes.

3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Claude Bachand Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I would like to start by congratulating our two witnesses who were recently promoted. Vice-Admiral McFadden was named Chief of the Maritime Staff, deservingly so. This is one promotion in an already distinguished career. He is just one step away from being Chief of Defence Staff. Perhaps one day we will see a sailor become Chief of the Defence Staff. For the moment, he is Rear-Admiral of the Maritime Forces. The commodore becomes rear-admiral and director of maritime strategy at headquarters. I want to congratulate both of you on your promotions.

I would like to ask questions about the presence of troops. Since you are in the armed forces, I will not ask you how many RCMP or CSIS officers there are. However, I'd like you to give me an idea of the number of troops.

A press release from National Defence on February 25 talks about the presence of troops. Does what we see here correspond to what is in Vancouver? Among other things, from the navy, there is talk of a frigate, two coastal defence ships, two patrol ships and 19 rigid hull inflatables. Naturally reservists in the Canadian Navy Reserves took part in the exercise.

Will the military equipment that I have just mentioned be identical to what's planned for the 2010 Olympic Games?

3:50 p.m.

VAdm D. McFadden

Thank you very much for your question.

The press release I think identified what resources had been available for the conduct of Exercise Silver, which occurred last month. The purpose of that exercise was to allow us to do a live play to validate procedures.

The range of forces you've identified are not all that would be earmarked to support the security requirements of the Olympics.

3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Claude Bachand Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

Can we expect to see the same armada during the Olympic Games?

3:55 p.m.

VAdm D. McFadden

No, sir. There would be more maritime assets available to be able to support the requirement than what we employed during Exercise Silver.

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Claude Bachand Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

Concerning the air force, we have heard about Griffons, Sea Kings, Auroras and transport helicopters. It's my impression that since the war isn't over, we can't expect to have American Cormorans or Chinooks here as there are in Afghanistan. Will there be any other air force equipment other than Griffons, Sea Kings and Auroras?

3:55 p.m.

Vam D. McFadden

The contribution of those forces was identified during operation Silver.

The intent will be to ensure that what we place on notice are sufficient air resources to manage what we refer to as “lines of operation”. The plan that will be created will identify what type of effect we need to have. The resources will then be assigned to be able to achieve that effect.

I have no doubt we'll be making use of the Griffon helicopters and the Sea King helicopters in the role of both air surveillance and maritime surveillance. There will be fixed-wing aircraft also assigned to conduct that surveillance role.

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Claude Bachand Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

Will F-18s patrol the air space?

3:55 p.m.

VAdm D. McFadden

Sir, the assignment of CF-18s will be in support of a NORAD mission, so I'll identify two commanders. NORAD will be assigned, as a subordinate commander to the Chief of the Defence Staff, responsibilities for aerospace surveillance and control. Predominantly, aerospace control will be assigned as a responsibility for the Canadian NORAD region, headquartered in Winnipeg. The primary assets we intend to use will be CF-18s for the intercept role.

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Claude Bachand Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

In the press release, you were discreet with regard to the land forces. We know that there were tragic events in Munich; a rather spectacular terrorist attack targeted the Israeli delegation. In the event of a terrorist attack, will the FOI 2 be close by and readily available? After all counter-terrorism is its priority. Will those forces be in place during the Vancouver Olympic Games, in the event that something would occur requiring a rapid response?

3:55 p.m.

VAdm D. McFadden

Sir, special operations forces will be assigned to support the operation of the Vancouver Olympics. They will be in two capacities, one in support of an RCMP requirement and the other to be able to provide the response capacity if that is required. There will be both deployments and forces placed upon notice to be able to respond.

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Claude Bachand Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

I imagine that the number of troops, for example, is a state secret and that, consequently, you would be unable to divulge that information.

3:55 p.m.

VAdm D. McFadden

Sir, putting numbers to that would make that classified. Special operations forces have been earmarked and will support the Olympics.

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Claude Bachand Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

The Chemical, Radiological, Biological and Nuclear Threats Unit or the CRBN, seems extremely important. Will it also be playing a role? If something were to occur, it would have to act quickly. I think that it is based out of Alberta at the moment. I imagine that this unit will be on-site in case there is a biological, chemical or nuclear attack. Will that be the case?

3:55 p.m.

VAdm D. McFadden

Sir, again, I wouldn't comment upon the location of where those forces would be. The response within Canada for the response unit is under the lead of the RCMP. The RCMP will have such things as explosives expertise, forensics expertise. There are other elements of that RCMP-led team. Health Canada forms a part of it. The Canadian Forces form a part of it, and there will be a program to employ, exercise, and ensure that this national response team is capable of responding very rapidly.

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Claude Bachand Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

You can tell me later if ADATS will also be there, like Patriots, to intercept planes.

3:55 p.m.

VAdm D. McFadden

The intercepting of a plane would be an aerospace responsibility and therefore the commander in NORAD would appropriately comment upon that in his plan to the Chief of the Defence Staff.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rick Casson

Thank you.

Mr. Julian.

4 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Vice-Admiral McFadden and Rear-Admiral Davidson, for coming before us today.

I have three series of questions, so I'll put the first one to you. It's regarding the overall security budget. We had initially figures of about $175 million. That was an estimate. Then it went up to $900 million. Now the public safety minister has said that is a guess. I'm wondering, in terms of the budget overall, do you have some sense of what the margin of error is, depending on, as Mr.Wilfert said, whether it is a high level of security requirement or a medium level of security? And I'd like to know the budgeting around some of the operations prior to the Olympics. For example, on Operation Gold, what would be the budget for that particular security planning?

Around the World Police and Fire Games, I believe the Department of National Defence is involved in some of the events there to ensure appropriate operational readiness for the Olympics. Do you have any sense of what the budgets would be and what the involvement of DND is in the World Police and Fire Games to be held on the Lower Mainland this summer?