Evidence of meeting #69 for National Defence in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was record.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michael R. Gibson  Deputy Judge Advocate General of Military Justice, Office of the Judge Advocate General, Department of National Defence
André Dufour  Director, Law Military Personnel - Office of the Judge Advocate General, Department of National Defence
Erin Shaw  Committee Researcher

4:35 p.m.

NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

Am I right in assuming that because only one language is being fixed, it's to bring about conformity with the English-language text?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Lieutenant-Colonel Dufour.

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LCol André Dufour

Basically all the amendments for clauses 80 to 96 include amendments to replace

the words "la personne mise en cause" with "la personne qui en fait l'objet"

and also to replace prévôt by grand prévôt. Those are the only amendments being made in those sections.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Madam Moore and then Mr. Alexander.

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NDP

Christine Moore NDP Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Can we group clauses 80 to 96 together since they involve changes in language?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

I was going to suggest that.

Mr. Alexander.

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Conservative

Chris Alexander Conservative Ajax—Pickering, ON

These are historic amendments, but perhaps we could group them together.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Mr. Harris.

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NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

I'm satisfied to have them grouped, but I will note that when we suggested that the English language ought to conform to the French at our last meeting and we made numerous arguments about it, it seemed to be totally unacceptable to the government for some strange, odd, and very disagreeable reason. But we're quite happy to ensure that the French and English work together and say the same thing.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

I wanted to make sure we had conformity.

(Clauses 87 to 98 inclusive agreed to)

(On clause 99)

Mr. McKay.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

Again, as a point of clarification, this is essentially a limitation clause, so you can't actually sue Her Majesty after two years.

What's the reason for that?

4:40 p.m.

Col Michael R. Gibson

Mr. Chair, this clause is essentially changing the limitation period that's already in section 269 of the act from six months to two years. So it's more generous and beneficial to potential plaintiffs.

That's being done largely in an attempt to harmonize the limitation period with the period of two years, which has become more or less standard across all the provinces in Canada.

As Mr. McKay may know, there used to be wild disparity among the provinces with regard to the limitation period, so this is in essence an attempt to create harmony across the country and also to ensure that the limitation period under the NDA is congruent with other limitation periods and fair to potential plaintiffs.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

Is this a realm of torts?

4:40 p.m.

Col Michael R. Gibson

Proposed subsection 269(1) is in the realm of torts. Proposed subsection 269(1.1) provides a limitation period in respect of prosecutions under other acts. For example, under the Fisheries Act, if there were an allegation that there had been an oil spill into a body of water that was protected, as is already in the act, there would be a limitation period in respect of prosecutions under the other act, but the exceptions carved out there in that section are, first of all, the NDA itself, so this doesn't create a limitation period in respect to the NDA, and also for civil prosecutions under the Geneva Conventions Act or the Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Okay, are there other questions?

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NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

I'm sorry, it goes into the next section. I don't know what—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Clause 100 is the next section.

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NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

No, but on the next page, page 55, proposed subsection 269 (1.1):subsection (1) may not be commenced after six months from the day on which the act, neglect or default occurred.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

What's the question, Mr. Harris?

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

The question is, how does that compare to the six months to two years? It seems very odd. Is that a typo? What is that at the top of page 55?

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Colonel Gibson.

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Col Michael R. Gibson

No, it relates to proposed subsection 269(1.1) I know the brackets in subsection 269(1) are confusing but it's just a continuation of proposed subsection 269(1.1). It's a six-month limitation period for prosecutions other than the ones that are specified, in other words, the NDA and Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

That is referring to subsection 269(1). It's not a new subsection.

4:40 p.m.

Col Michael R. Gibson

That's right. It's not a new subsection. I know it's confusing but—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

You have to continue to read—