Please do. Thank you.
The second question is related to family services and the family covenant that the forces has issued. It contains very noble words. I'll read part of it. It says:
We honour the inherent resilience of families and we pay tribute to the sacrifices of families made in support of Canada. We pledge to work in partnership with the families and the communities in which they live. We commit to enhancing military life.
As I say, these are great words. There's a question of, as I think the ombudsman put it, the meat on the bone. There needs to be detail.
I'm only struck by this because we visited Petawawa recently, and one couple struck me as being very sincere and concerned about their own future. He was suffering from PTSD, but the spouse complained that it took four years for her to get counselling to even help to understand what her husband was going through so that she could help him. She said they almost lost their marriage, that she didn't understand what was happening, that she was in need of this service, that she had asked for it a number of times, but that it took four years.
I'm not trying to set this up as though everybody is like that, but how could this possibly be, in a situation in which it is recognized that these operational stress injuries could best be treated through families? How can it be? Can either of you help me understand how that could be?