I'm just getting into the details of what's being used with Defence. I can give you the Coast Guard example—it's very similar.
We use third-party metrics on the efficiency of shipyards. We have a significant amount of oversight. We ask, for example, what should the level of productivity be for every hour expended in the yard to ensure that we're going to get the ships on time and within budget?
We monitor the productivity. We meet as an oversight committee, on shipbuilding in particular, monthly, at the deputy minister level. As you're aware, there's a cabinet committee that looks at defence procurement.
So that's third-party oversight. There's internal management in the yards, watching what's going on. We have very close relationships with the shipyards, which didn't exist in the past. We're in the yard, managing, measuring what they're doing, and speaking to them, having a very open dialogue if things are not going well.