That governance needs to start at the top. It needs to be the legal framework. It needs to be an empowered parliament. It's all of that stuff, but it also is the habits and practices of government that just don't exist—see my first point, legacy systems. This isn't because of a lack of will. It's just reality, so it's going to take time to get through this.
My last piece would be capacity building, and I hope that doesn't sound self-serving just because Canada has an extraordinary training mission in Yavoriv. It's about capacity building, and it's about focusing it at the right levels. It's top down, but as I heard from many around the table, it's bottom up, too, because there's a massive wealth of experience in the dynamism of civil society in Ukraine that needs to be tapped into.