If we look at the last 12 months of the Trump administration, they're still trying to figure it out and they have the resources and the budget to be able to go and look for who did this. They've come to the opinion that it was Russia that compromised the elections and they have proof of that. We haven't that proof in the Ukraine simply because we haven't had time, because there are not enough cyber-experts in there checking all the various different things that happened.
One of the things that Canada is not providing to the Ukraine is cyber-expertise. We're not participating in that, but we need to, because we need to find out what people who are participating found out about it so that we can learn from it for ourselves. By not being there, we're relying on them to tell us.