Evidence of meeting #28 for National Defence in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was misconduct.
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2:55 p.m.
Liberal
2:55 p.m.
NDP
Randall Garrison NDP Esquimalt—Saanich—Sooke, BC
Thank you very much, Madam Chair.
I understand that we're coming to the end of our normal scheduled time for this committee and that the House of Commons, as usual, especially on a Friday, will have trouble maintaining resources for interpretation and other necessary services. Therefore, I'm hoping that you could take note of the speakers' list that exists now. I would hope to be able to speak when we resume on this topic, but at this point, I will move to suspend the committee to its normal meeting time, Monday morning, when we return to this motion.
3 p.m.
NDP
Randall Garrison NDP Esquimalt—Saanich—Sooke, BC
No, I am not. I am making a motion to suspend until Monday morning at our normal time.
3 p.m.
Liberal
Anita Vandenbeld Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON
Madam Chair, could you suspend for two minutes, just to figure it out? It would be helpful.
3 p.m.
Conservative
Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON
On a point of order, you can't move a motion on a motion.
3 p.m.
Liberal
Anita Vandenbeld Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON
No, it's not a motion. I'm just asking the chair, while we're discussing the motion, to suspend for a couple of minutes.
3 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Karen McCrimmon
No, we're trying to decide whether the motion is in order. In the meantime, I can suspend for two minutes. There's no trouble doing that, so I'll go ahead.
We're suspended for two minutes.
3:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Karen McCrimmon
Okay. We've been able to determine that a motion from the floor for suspension is not a normal proceeding. A motion from the floor to adjourn is a normal proceeding and, therefore, is in order, but a motion to suspend is not.
I'm sorry, Mr. Garrison.
3:10 p.m.
NDP
Randall Garrison NDP Esquimalt—Saanich—Sooke, BC
Okay. Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I appreciate your advice.
I move that we continue discussion on the motion on the floor at our next scheduled meeting on Monday and that we do now adjourn.
3:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Karen McCrimmon
Okay. I think we would have to give people time to consider that as well.
Monday, if we could just stand by.... What do we have on Monday?
3:10 p.m.
Liberal
3:10 p.m.
Conservative
James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB
As a point of order, I would call that a substantive motion, so it would be debatable, but it's providing direction to the committee to continue this meeting on Monday and let the current meeting adjourn, so I'd say that it is admissible.
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3:15 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Karen McCrimmon
Okay.
Would you like to speak to this, Mr. Garrison? Explain what you're asking so that we perfectly understand what's before us now.
3:15 p.m.
NDP
Randall Garrison NDP Esquimalt—Saanich—Sooke, BC
Well, I'm attempting to accomplish the same thing as with my first motion. We have exhausted our normally scheduled time. The House of Commons has limited resources. We strain all of the staff during COVID all of the time. My suggestion is.... We have not dealt with this matter, and I won't go into reasons why we have not. My motion is that we return to this matter on Monday morning during our regularly scheduled time and that we do now adjourn. It's fairly simple and fairly straightforward.
3:15 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Karen McCrimmon
All right.
Does anybody else want to weigh in on this?
Okay. Go ahead, Mr.—let's see—
3:15 p.m.
Conservative
Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON
I have a point of order.
Are we done being suspended now? Are we now back in public?
Thank you.
3:15 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Karen McCrimmon
Yes.
All right. Let me check this. So, it was....
Mr. Bagnell, do you want to speak to this particular issue, or is that left over?
Okay, go ahead, Mr. Bezan.
3:15 p.m.
Conservative
James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB
Thank you, Madam Chair.
I just want clarity for the committee. I understand the intent of Mr. Garrison's motion: that we continue the debate on this motion on Monday morning. I just want to make sure that the conditions surrounding this meeting are the conditions that we use in the meeting on Monday: that it's in public, that's it televised, and that we start off with the motion. If I have to retable that motion on Monday morning, I'm more than happy to do it, but I want to make sure that those are the conditions of bringing on the motion. I appreciate why Mr. Garrison wants to adjourn: in the interest of our support staff, particularly the interpreters. I know how strenuous that job can be, interpreting members for extended periods of time. We'll support that as long as we're under the understanding that this continues on. We do need to get to a resolution on having Katie Telford appear before this committee.
3:15 p.m.
Bloc
Xavier Barsalou-Duval Bloc Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères, QC
Thank you, Madam Chair.
There is one technical point that I don't quite understand. I gather that if we continue the debate, after a certain time, we can no longer ask for a suspension.
Could you tell me why we cannot ask for a suspension at 4 p.m. or 5 p.m., for example, and why we should ask for it now if we want to do so?
I agree that we should be able to exhaust the subject matter before we shut down the debate, whether today or another day, in terms of the committee business. But I'm trying to understand why we couldn't suspend later if we decide to continue the debate.
I would like a clarification on that.
3:20 p.m.
Conservative
James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB
Madam Chair, on Mr. Barsalou-Duval's comment that in the past you have suspended meetings for days on end until we resumed at a regular time, I think he was asking if we can continue the debate, and then you could suspend when you determine that it's enough, and we'll continue on Monday.
3:20 p.m.
Liberal
