To answer that question, Mr. Chair, I'm not surprised on either front. With regard to the Ukrainians, we've been training with them since 2015. Let's not forget that they've been in a crisis since 2014, since the invasion of Crimea. They've been doing a good fight in the Donbass. They've learned a lot. We've trained them. We know how hardened they are. That's on the one front.
On the other front, like we see in information and disinformation in Russia, we have to be careful here. I would say that Mr. Putin may not be 10 feet tall like he is.... There's always been the recognition that they might have a large force that is not really modern and maybe a modern force that is not very large.
I'm not surprised on either front.