The use of ransomware, I'd say, affects phones just as much as our regular computers—and particularly with the proliferation of surveillance software, which many of you have probably heard of, such as Pegasus or NSO Group. The greater proliferation of these zero days and malware has made any piece of technology a target for potential profits or for targeting by adversarial states.
This is part of the constant tension that I referred to, and part of the responsibility of the government is to face these threats and to address criminals by working with allies to arrest and target some of the ransomware actors who were named yesterday, I believe it was, or the day before.
Canada, I would say, is currently a low-level player in this. They are helping.... CSE is well regarded around the world, but.... The Canadian Armed Forces could do more but simply can't. There are many other initiatives across the government that could look to what they are really contributing to their own department's cybersecurity and the constituents they're helping.