Unfortunately, I have to draw this meeting to a close. As you can see from the last three or four questions, we're starting to get to the meat of the issues, particularly CSE's relationship to CAF and the relationship it has with Global Affairs and Public Safety, etc. It's silos. We hope it's not entirely silos because security is security is security.
Also, the persistent engagement issue calls into question CSE's ability to conduct in Canada those kinds of operations. I would invite you, on behalf of the committee, to submit any other thoughts, any written thoughts that you have, because we are going to have to try to arrive at some sort of policy recommendations.
I appreciate both of you making yourselves available today to engage the committee in this very challenging conversation.
With that, colleagues, we will suspend and re-empanel.
Again, I thank Mr. Rudolph and Dr. Keenan, and particularly Dr. Keenan for getting up a couple of hours early. Thanks very much. I appreciate it.