I think you heard from the chief of the defence staff that they haven't increased munitions through the munitions supply program since, I think, 2022, or they haven't purchased additional munitions through that program. We were basically using stocks in order to send our contributions to Ukraine.
Right now, around the world, countries are getting together and looking at how to pool their munitions in order to get rapid production of munitions. In fact, NATO announced last week that it is providing framework contracts and firm orders for about 1.5 billion dollars' worth of ammunition, and it will continue to do that.
Countries around the world are bringing their defence industry arm—anywhere from 30 to 40 companies have been showing up at a run rate—in order to be able to look at how they can ramp up their ammunition to answer the call from Ukraine. To my knowledge, at this time, Canada is absent from those conversations. If we want to be present in those conversations, we would need to start talking with our ammunition providers—which the United States is doing, by the way. The United States has actually given Canadian firms contracts to increase ammunition for its own purposes and for its donations to Ukraine.
We would need to start having those conversations, and it would probably take some time—approximately two years is my guess—before we are in a state to even be producing additional operational rounds. However—