I have a point of order.
Evidence of meeting #97 for National Defence in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was families.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Evidence of meeting #97 for National Defence in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was families.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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Liberal
Marie-France Lalonde Liberal Orléans, ON
Can we just suspend for a couple of minutes so that we can find the language to agree on this motion?
Thank you.
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Conservative
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal John McKay
I think somebody has a repetitive lisp here.
I will recognize your point of order.
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Conservative
Pat Kelly Conservative Calgary Rocky Ridge, AB
Well, thank you, Mr. Chair.
My concern about the rules of order and their observance is whether you even gave Madame Lalonde the floor. I didn't see any indication of that.
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Conservative
Pat Kelly Conservative Calgary Rocky Ridge, AB
That wasn't debate. She wasn't debating the motion. She was asking for a suspension.
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Conservative
Pat Kelly Conservative Calgary Rocky Ridge, AB
Then we move on to whoever is next in debate in order.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal John McKay
I have so much help on this committee. It's just amazing. You're such a useful—
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal John McKay
They do, and I'm adhering to them.
Mrs. Gallant, would you like to intervene on this point of order?
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Conservative
Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON
I wanted to speak to the motion that was before us.
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Liberal
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Conservative
Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON
The point is that here we are. We are probably, as a nation and a world, closer to the edge of war than we have been since Afghanistan. The threat is high from several different angles. Our military has seen the greatest attrition in decades.
We are talking about whether or not to instruct the minister and require them to actually negotiate so that the people who are serving in the military are actually getting at least a little more above minimum wage. They're taking care of the kids because both parents work. Some of the spouses are having to stay home. The military guys, instead of doing what they're supposed to be doing, are taking care of the kids. They're leaving the military because they just can't afford to live on one income.
Let's cut to the chase here and think about what's important overall and why people need to be supported. Get them to the table. Get a fair negotiation, a fair wage and some job security across the board. Let's just get on with this instead of pinching pennies and splitting hairs.
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Liberal
Marie-France Lalonde Liberal Orléans, ON
Mr. Chair, I rarely say this, but Mrs. Gallant is absolutely right in the sense that this is a non-binding motion. We wasted valuable time for our witness. I know it was part of my responsibility to bring my glasses to work today, but at the same time, we had an agreement on a motion that we collectively, I think, could have all passed. This is a non-binding motion. That's fair. Let's proceed.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal John McKay
Is there any other debate?
We'll call the vote. So we know what we're calling the vote on, I will defer to my esteemed clerk.
April 10th, 2024 / 5:45 p.m.
The Clerk
The question is on the amendment, as proposed by Madame Lalonde, to replace everything after the words “Minister of National Defence” with “to urge the employer to bargain in good faith and come to a fair resolution.”
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Liberal
