I have spoken to them. I have also spoken to the presidents of PSAC and the Canadian Labour Congress.
As a matter of fact, I want to acknowledge here publicly that the president of the Canadian Labour Congress was very helpful in facilitating the appointment of a mediator to try to bring the parties back to the table. We've worked closely with all parties to try to facilitate an agreement between them.
I share your frustration. They are good people and they provide important services to us. They are valued by the Canadian Armed Forces. At the same time, we're trying very hard to facilitate a properly bargained agreement between the parties.