Evidence of meeting #3 for National Defence in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was nato.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Curran  Deputy Director General, International Security Policy, Department of National Defence
Ritchie  Director of Staff, Strategic Joint Staff, Canadian Armed Forces, Department of National Defence
Laporte  Executive Director, Defence and Security Relations, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

I call this meeting to order.

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to meeting number three of the House of Commons Standing Committee on National Defence.

Pursuant to the motion adopted on September 16, 2025, the committee is meeting to receive a threat analysis of the Euro-Atlantic and Indo-Pacific regions.

Before we continue, I would like to ask all persons participating to consult the guidelines written on the cards on the table. These measures are in place to help prevent audio and feedback incidents and to protect the health and safety of all participants, including the interpreters. You will notice a QR code on the cards, which links to a short awareness video. I'll ask you to look at it after our meeting so that we can pay full attention to our witnesses.

I would like to make a few comments for the benefit of the witnesses and members.

Please wait until I recognize you by name before speaking. For those participating by video conference—there are none—please click on the microphone. For those of us here, take advantage of the translation for different languages.

As a reminder, all comments should be addressed through the chair.

For members in the room, if you wish to speak, please raise your hand. You know the drill.

The topic for panel one is defence and security in the Euro-Atlantic region.

I would now like to welcome our witnesses. From the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development, we have Eric Laporte, executive director of defence and security relations. From the Department of National Defence, we have Major-General Robert Ritchie, director of staff for the strategic joint staff of the Canadian Armed Forces, and Ty Curran, deputy director general of international security policy.

It is my understanding that only officials from DND will be delivering opening remarks. You have five minutes for your statement.

Thank you again for being here.

Ty Curran Deputy Director General, International Security Policy, Department of National Defence

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, and thank you for the invitation.

We've already gone through the introduction, so I'll just say on behalf of my colleagues that it's an honour to be here this morning, and we're looking forward to the discussion.

The topics of the Euro-Atlantic and the Indo-Pacific are very relevant, given the priority that was placed on them in our recent defence policy update, “Our North, Strong and Free”.

For the first session, I would like to start with the recent NATO summit in The Hague, which underlined the cornerstone role that NATO plays in our defence and security and those of all allies. At the NATO summit, Canada committed to meeting the 2% target this fiscal year. We are accelerating over $9 billion in investments to rebuild, rearm and modernize the Canadian Armed Forces.

A 2% investment will mean better pay and support for personnel, new aircraft and vehicles, advanced sensors for Arctic surveillance and modernization of our digital infrastructure.

Additionally, allies, including Canada, have also made a historic commitment to strengthen our collective defence, including a pledge to reach 5% of GDP in defence spending by 2035. This 5% has two components.

First, allies will allocate at least 3.5% of GDP annually to core defence requirements. These are the defence areas that make up the previous 2% NATO target.

Second, the remaining 1.5% of GDP will be invested in strengthening allies’ defence industrial base, protecting critical infrastructure, and ensuring civilian preparedness and resilience.

Prior to the NATO summit, the Prime Minister also participated in a Canada-EU summit and concluded a security and defence partnership with the EU that reflects our broader commitment to reinforcing and deepening transatlantic security ties.

Our Global Affairs Canada colleagues are preparing to start negotiating a bilateral agreement with the EU under the security action for Europe, or SAFE, program in order to improve access for Canadian defence companies to European opportunities.

Beyond these summits, Europe remains a key operational area for the CAF. We continue to lead NATO’s land forces in Latvia through Operation Reassurance, our largest overseas mission. During a recent visit to Latvia, the Prime Minister announced an extension of that operation for another three years.

Canada is a key player in NATO’s deterrence posture on the eastern flank. As a framework nation for NATO’s forward land forces in Latvia, Canada, along with our 13 partners in the multinational brigade, is part of the biggest reinforcement of alliance collective defence in a generation.

In the east, supporting Ukraine is central to our shared security. Canada’s efforts in military training and capacity building began in 2015 and continue today through Operation Unifier. Since 2015, we have trained over 46,000 Ukrainian troops under Operation Unifier, covering vital areas such as basic and advanced military skills, battlefield tactics, medical training and combat engineering.

On the battlefield, we’ve seen small Russian progress at significant costs for them, and numerous examples of Ukrainian innovation and willingness to continue to fight, such as June’s Operation Spiderweb, which targeted Russian long-range aviation. My colleagues can provide additional details on the battlefield situation or on the status of negotiations, if desired.

Canada continues to contribute and is working with our allies, through the NATO Security Assistance and Training for Ukraine, or NSATU, and through the coalition of the willing, to explore substantive security guarantees for Ukraine, which is an essential step toward a durable peace.

In the meantime, though, we are also focused on ensuring that Ukraine has the funding and equipment needed to continue the fight. Since the full-scale invasion, Canada has pledged nearly $22 billion in aid to Ukraine, including over $6.5 billion in military assistance. This has delivered critical capabilities for Ukrainians, including armoured vehicles, high-tech components, flight simulators for F-16s and essential things such as winter clothing, all of which have been provided by Canadian suppliers.

We are also proud to provide training for F-16 pilots under the Ukraine Defense Contact Group’s air force capability coalition and to contribute to the armour, drone, and information and technology coalitions. These efforts reflect our enduring commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and to Euro-Atlantic stability.

In closing, I would like to point out that the security environment in Europe remains dynamic and complex. That said, NATO remains strong and ready to defend allied territory, as seen in the recent incursion of Russian drones over Polish airspace on September 9 and 10. This prompted a coordinated response from allied forces and the invocation of article 4 of the North Atlantic Treaty.

These very difficult times underline the importance of the defence investments that we're making and the need to work closely with our allies.

We look forward to your questions.

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

Thank you, Mr. Curran.

We appreciate the introduction and your getting us started.

I'm going to pass it over to Cheryl Gallant to lead us off.

8:20 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Through you to the witnesses, I'd first like to mention that the troops are still waiting for that pay increase that was promised to them on April 1.

A week ago today, Taiwanese ambassador Harry Tseng hosted a session on maritime security. We learned about the intentional undersea cable cutting in the Baltics, Europe and Taiwan.

How prevalent along Canadian shores is the grey-zone tactic of cutting undersea cables?

8:20 a.m.

Deputy Director General, International Security Policy, Department of National Defence

Ty Curran

Perhaps I'll zoom out a little about grey-zone tactics writ large. We can talk through that and then perhaps get into the details about undersea cables.

We've seen hybrid threats and grey-zone tactics emerge, continue and proliferate over the last several years. We think it underlines the importance of defence investments in order to provide deterrence from a military point of view, but we recognize that when faced with challenges militarily, our adversaries will look for other ways to target us. That includes things like cyber-threats, targeting critical infrastructure and threats to democratic resilience. It speaks to the need for a whole-of-society approach in order to counter these threats, noting as well that our ability to counter them is based on our ability to counter military threats, which underlines the importance of these investments.

8:20 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

How often have the undersea cable cuttings happened along the Canadian land mass?

8:25 a.m.

Deputy Director General, International Security Policy, Department of National Defence

Ty Curran

I'll turn to my colleague.

Robert Ritchie Director of Staff, Strategic Joint Staff, Canadian Armed Forces, Department of National Defence

This is something that, in partnership with other government departments and agencies, the Department of National Defence continues to monitor. There have been incidents off the east coast of Canada. We are actively monitoring them in partnership with allies and partners, and we continue to take proactive and preventive measures against potential reoccurrences in the future.

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

The question was about how many, as well.

In any of these incidents, were any vessels identified around those times as being close to the path of the undersea cables?

8:25 a.m.

Director of Staff, Strategic Joint Staff, Canadian Armed Forces, Department of National Defence

Robert Ritchie

We continue to work with partners. I do not have that information available at this time.

That said, I can commit that the integrated intelligence community is lashed up and working across the Government of Canada and in partnership with provinces, territories and indigenous stakeholders and, importantly, with allies in continental defence in terms of surveillance for detection of all domain threats from the sea floor to space.

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

Do Canadian fishing vessels have access to the charts that show the undersea cable routing?

8:25 a.m.

Director of Staff, Strategic Joint Staff, Canadian Armed Forces, Department of National Defence

Robert Ritchie

Mr. Chair, that is not my area of expertise. We can coordinate with the Department of Fisheries and Oceans and with the Canadian Coast Guard, as they are probably in a better position to provide an accurate response to that question.

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

The Coast Guard and the military are being combined, it has been reported. Do the Coast Guard patrols keep an eye on vessels loitering near the undersea cables?

8:25 a.m.

Director of Staff, Strategic Joint Staff, Canadian Armed Forces, Department of National Defence

Robert Ritchie

Mr. Chair, I'm pleased to be able to talk about the Canadian Coast Guard.

As colleagues know, on June 9 the Prime Minister announced the merger. At this point, there is no plan to militarize the Canadian Coast Guard or to incorporate a law enforcement role. I can speak to the fact that they will be additive in the security domain in surveilling for all-domain threats as well as supporting search and rescue and icebreaking in the Arctic and in commercial shipping routes. They will contribute to ocean science, to safe navigation and to fisheries enforcement, as well as contribute environmentally.

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

All right.

If a fishing vessel noticed another vessel, a foreign vessel, loitering along the pathway of the undersea cables, would the crew know who to report this to? It's suspicious activity.

8:25 a.m.

Director of Staff, Strategic Joint Staff, Canadian Armed Forces, Department of National Defence

Robert Ritchie

Yes. Right now we have a Canadian Coast Guard that is robust in their procedures and in strengthening sovereignty, and maritime domain is at the core of their mission. We're right now finalizing and professionalizing the integration of the Canadian Coast Guard with the Royal Canadian Navy and with the Royal Canadian Air Force to ensure that we provide integrated awareness to be able to cue exploitation of other assets if we see suspicious activity.

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

Okay. It sounds like they should report it to the Coast Guard.

Do the Canadian Forces depend on communications routed through undersea cables?

8:25 a.m.

Deputy Director General, International Security Policy, Department of National Defence

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

Okay. The answer was yes. I don't know, Mr. Curran, if that was on the record.

8:25 a.m.

Deputy Director General, International Security Policy, Department of National Defence

Ty Curran

I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. Yes.

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

Since it takes 40 days and $3 million to repair a single cable, does DND have a company on retainer to mend undersea cables on call, on demand?

8:25 a.m.

Deputy Director General, International Security Policy, Department of National Defence

Ty Curran

I'm not aware of a company.... Mr. Chair, I don't know whether we have a contract in existence to do that. There are a number of Canadian companies that we can work with in the event of either an accidental event or a targeted event that targets our undersea cable networks.

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

Does the CAF have the personnel and the equipment necessary to do the undersea cable repair itself?

8:25 a.m.

Director of Staff, Strategic Joint Staff, Canadian Armed Forces, Department of National Defence

Robert Ritchie

Mr. Chair, that is not currently an autonomous capability of the Canadian Armed Forces. It does speak to the growing relationship between defence and the whole of society, as well as Canadian industry, and we're working hard to strengthen those ties. We are also exploring and expanding our capability for surveillance from sea floor to space.

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

Has the—