That's one of the challenges we've found. In particular, in communities of the north, there are difficulties in recruiting and in accessing the communities to even present these programs. There is also the importance of the face of the recruiters. We know this. Just as the CAF has been struggling for decades to increase the number of women in the CAF—still sitting at only about 17%—it's the same with other groups. The doors are open for other groups, such as newcomers to Canada. Permanent residents can now apply, finally, but really only a small percentage get in. It's the same with the indigenous programs. These are good programs. The intention is good.
The CAF can also recruit indigenous members for its regular service. It does not have to be only through the programs. Those are just a tool, one tool, at its disposal, but how many recruiters are indigenous? How many are going to make the journey to northern communities and so on and so forth?