It talks about R and D, but as I was saying, the key will be implementation. In my view, this is an area where more work needs to be done in order to go beyond our traditional ways to support R and D. Include innovation and dual-use technologies as well. Come up with other ways to engage with the industry more upstream in a building-block kind of approach.
I think that, by and large, it doesn't exist, or the programs that exist are small-scale programs. I think we need to scale up. I haven't seen any reliable stats, but I've seen some indications that in Canada, the percentage of investment in defence going to R and D is below 5%, whereas in the U.S., it's 15%. In other countries, I've seen figures hovering around 15% to 20%.
I think we have some distance to go here in terms of procuring innovation and coming up with different types of models to engage with the industry and innovate at the speed of relevance.