I think we meant Norway and Germany. They are the partners on the TKMS sub. Whether we're talking about that sub or the South Korean sub, it's important to gain, again, the maximum fiscal benefit we can for the country.
I have been to Marmen. It is an unbelievable company. It builds its own tools. You walk into the building and there are these tools as big as a single-storey house. The company works with pretty cool projects in the U.S. that I probably can't talk about on this microphone.
There is capability and capacity here, either as Hanwha Ocean or TKMS. I have said very clearly to them, “Here's what we have to offer, so you guys go and figure out how you can bring in Canadian companies.” Again, we want to buy the sub as it is, but machine manufacturing, which is Marmen, and simulators, which are CAE, are great examples of maybe not messing with the submarine itself, because you start to Canadianize it or run down the road and you end up with an octopus with many arms. That will slow us down. We don't necessarily want to do it. As it is, the navy says that it meets its requirements.
How can we bring in Canadian industry without upsetting the timeline, number one? Because this spend is going to be so big, when you talk about not B2B or going “G2G”—government to government—how else can Canada work with these other countries in other ways?
We sell aircraft. Can we sell them aircraft? Davie builds icebreakers. Seaspan builds icebreakers. Everyone is looking for icebreakers. The U.S. just bought some icebreakers from the ICE pact. Canada is a member of the ICE pact.
All of these things are happening. People are spending money, and everybody wants to work with Canada. How do we harness that and build out our economy in a way that matters? That's what we're looking at.