Yes. I think the summit is an excellent idea, but the summit should be focused on developing a policy, provincially and federally. It cannot be focused on what we are going to do to the existing pulp and paper industry. It cannot do that.
Pardon me, again, but the best pulp mills in Canada are 1,500 tonnes a day, or 2,000. They're 3,500 in India and China. They're 4,000 in South America. Paper machines in Canada making 700 tonnes a day.... You can't compete with those guys.
The question I heard is what happened. The technology moved faster than the capital, and it did that 10 years ago. The Scandinavians and Europeans exported the technology to build these paper machines because they had the fabrication facilities. They sold technology and they sold metal. That's what moved it around.
We have to do that by getting into biofibre and selling that technology and the metal that comes behind it. We have to.