Catherine, I'd like to answer your question, and I would also like to comment a bit on Monsieur Ouellet's question on the $10 million.
We desperately need a policy that says we will convert the forest products industry to a biofibre industry in Canada and then put the right amount of funds in there to make that industry viable. It has to come the other way around or we will always have a debate on whether it's enough funds.
The devastation in the communities--I live in Thunder Bay, and we've lost 12 paper machines in three mills right around us--is incredible. There are no young people in the industry. The average age is 50 years old. There are no apprentices. No one has gone into the bush in the last 20 years. The truck drivers who are driving our transports out of the bush are all around 60-plus years of age. No one is going into the industry. We're not building any talent whatsoever.
To give you one example of where we clash, the provincial government is shutting down coal plants. British Columbia is exporting half a million tonnes of wood pellets to Germany to replace coal. Atikokan has a coal plant that's scheduled to be shut down. Atikokan has huge amounts of fibre, but we clash rather than mesh because the policies aren't there to push that.