For the WD thing. Oh, excellent. Okay.
Having said that, these people are hands-on. They go into operations and they help with local problems and they help improve productivity.
We're suggesting the larger primary producers need that kind of help right now. And we have been prepared, tied to universities, and we've been talking about opportunities. For instance, we just put two people in Lakehead University to be outreach workers.
If we can have those kinds of people help implement the technology, that would be one way. It's stuff that's already there.
The second thing would be demonstration technologies. We talk about gasification or refiners. We've got companies like Nexstar in Canada that are producing a product that works. Heffley Creek in British Columbia put in a kiln-drying operation and within a year and a half they got the full return on their investment. So that's a payback of a year and a half on that kind of equipment. And we're now talking about seeing those kinds of things.
So demonstrations, embedding people, will help us make it work, and that's where we've been failing.