Evidence of meeting #1 for Natural Resources in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mrs. Marie-France Renaud

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Bradley Trost Conservative Saskatoon—Humboldt, SK

I'd like to make a very blunt point here in regard to Mr. Siksay's remark. If this is all about parties, then the Bloc Québécois and the Liberals should be giving up some of their time, because the Liberals have lost 26 seats from the previous Parliament. The Bloc Québécois lost 2 seats. The New Democrats, with byelection gains and the general election, picked up 8. The Conservatives picked up 19. Also, it should be noted that Mr. Arthur, for committee purposes, sits as a Conservative as well.

If that's true, then the NDP and the Conservatives should get more time from the Bloc Québécois time and particularly from the Liberal time. So if this is all about parties, that should be noted.

The second thing is that there is a bit of leeway here to give to parties, because, as we note in our proposal, as previously, the first New Democrat gets a full seven minutes. The first New Democrat to speak is given the five minutes for being a member, as it were, and a two-minute bonus for being the representative of the party, for a total of seven minutes. Other members farther down the list don't get seven-minute rounds, so the New Democrats are already advantaged because of their party's position, rather than being treated merely as individual members.

So to look at the points, we already have given some advantage to the party and we should give some consideration to members individually. Members from the same caucus do not always ask the same questions or have the same interests. There's a purpose to representing constituencies here. In the previous Parliament, we had Mr. Harris and Mr. Allen from ridings with a lot of forestry. I have a mining background. Mr. Anderson comes from an oil and gas riding. We have more members here. There are actually different interests that involve constituents.

When we did a forestry report and an oil sands report, there were different interests involving constituents in those reports. It was not merely the party interest in those reports. I take great umbrage at those who think the only thing we are here for is as tools of parties.

I do not know about other members of the committee, but I don't always agree with where my party goes. I don't check my brain in at the door and just forget to do it. Perhaps other members from other parties do. They apparently do that, but there's absolutely no way that I'm going to go that way.

4:25 p.m.

An hon. member

That's what your Prime Minister tells you to do.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Bradley Trost Conservative Saskatoon—Humboldt, SK

The members from the Bloc appear interested in heckling my committee remarks, and I suppose that's their privilege, but we had a very productive committee last time. We worked very well. We worked very well with Ms. Duncan, Madam DeBellefeuille, Mr. Ouellet, Mr. Lloyd St. Amand from Brant, and the other members, and it was because we had some give and take.

Apparently not all members of the opposition are interested in give and take and in treating members with equal respect. If we don't move to that point, we are not going to have near the productivity that we had in previous committees. The productivity we had in previous committees was that of delivering things to constituents. Mr. Boshcoff, the former member from one of the Thunder Bay ridings, needed to deliver forestry reports because forestry was important to his riding. There were things of that nature. It wasn't just for government members that we delivered productivity from this committee.

I think those things should be given consideration as we go ahead.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you very much, Mr. Trost.

Mr. Bains, then Mr. Siksay.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Navdeep Bains Liberal Mississauga—Brampton South, ON

I just wanted to call the vote, but if Mr. Siksay wants to speak, that's fine.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Siksay.

4:30 p.m.

NDP

Bill Siksay NDP Burnaby—Douglas, BC

Chair, I have a suggestion that may help us. I want to take Mr. Anderson's suggestion seriously. Now that I've had a chance to look at it, I think it is a helpful one. What I would propose is that I'd be willing to withdraw my amendment and go with an amendment like he proposed, with one change.

Just so I'm clear, I think what he was proposing is there'd be only two rounds. There'd be the first round, as is shown on our paper, and a second round. The second round would be five minutes each and would go like this: Liberal, Conservative, Bloc, Conservative, Liberal, Conservative, and Conservative. That's what he was proposing. Then he suggested putting the NDP at the end of that list. I'd be all right with that order as long as we put the NDP between those two last Conservatives, so that it would go as follows: Liberal, Conservative, Bloc, Conservative, Liberal, Conservative, NDP, and Conservative. We'd have that as the second round speaking order.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Okay. We are still debating Mr. Siksay's amendment.

If you wish to withdraw it, we'll have to put that to the committee.

4:30 p.m.

NDP

Bill Siksay NDP Burnaby—Douglas, BC

Are you folks okay with it?

4:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

4:30 p.m.

NDP

Bill Siksay NDP Burnaby—Douglas, BC

Yes, the Conservatives are okay with that, so I will withdraw it, Chair. That's done.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Okay. Is there agreement for Mr. Siksay to withdraw his amendment?

4:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

That is done. You've heard the proposal. Is the proposal clear?

The only change to Mr. Anderson's proposal, because it wasn't accepted as a subamendment, is that instead of having Conservative, Conservative, NDP at the end, it would be Conservative, NDP, Conservative at the end. So is—

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

David Anderson Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

For the sake of unity, I will give up my spot for Mr. Siksay. So I'll welcome a friendly amendment to do that.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

You've heard the proposal. Is there any further discussion? It sounds as though there is a certain amount of agreement, at least from a couple of members on the government side.

4:30 p.m.

NDP

Bill Siksay NDP Burnaby—Douglas, BC

I'm hearing concerns from opposition members about that, so I'm going to leave the amendment as it is. Sorry, Chair.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Siksay, your amendment has been withdrawn, so--

4:30 p.m.

NDP

Bill Siksay NDP Burnaby—Douglas, BC

No, I hadn't agreed to that finally. I said I was prepared to do that if members of the committee were interested in it, and I hear concerns from opposition members.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

The committee did agree to the withdrawal.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

I didn't agree.

4:30 p.m.

NDP

Bill Siksay NDP Burnaby—Douglas, BC

There were concerns here, Chair.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

On a point of order, Mr. Hiebert.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

I think if you check with your clerk, I was on the speaking order before Mr. David Anderson spoke last time, so I've been missed. I'd like that opportunity.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

That is correct.

We'll go to Mr. Hiebert and then to Madame Brunelle.