Good day, gentlemen, and thank you for joining us.
Mr. Leier, you spoke of the importance of integrating energy policies and we don't disagree with you. You maintain that policies of this nature can be adapted to demand and supply.
The example you gave us of Toyama is one where an interesting integrated policy approach was taken. I'd like to hear more about it. You say this city was able to adapt and opted to focus on grouping together its infrastructures. However, as you know, in Canada and the United States, we see a considerable amount of urban sprawl.
In Toyama's case, where did this awareness and the will to adopt this approach come from? Was it a matter of governments having the political will to act? In Quebec, efforts were made to revitalize downtown Montreal and to encourage people to live downtown instead of in the suburbs. It hasn't been an easy process, after trying for 40 or 50 years to sell people on the advantages of living in the suburbs. Where does one start?