Evidence of meeting #40 for Natural Resources in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was reactor.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Norman Rubin  Director, Nuclear Research, Energy Probe
Rex Loesby  President, Canadian Remote Power Corporation
Albert Sweetnam  Executive Vice-President, Nuclear New Build, Ontario Power Generation Inc.
Pierre Tremblay  Senior Vice-President, Nuclear Programs and Training, Ontario Power Generation Inc.
Simon Carroll  Programme Officer, Swedish Biodiversity Centre, As an Individual
Christopher Heysel  Director, Nuclear Operations and Facilities, McMaster Nuclear Reactor, McMaster University
Dermot Murphy  Manager, Nuclear Insurance Association of Canada
John Walker  Legal Counsel, Walker Sorensen LLP, Nuclear Insurance Association of Canada
Colleen DeMerchant  Assistant Manager, Nuclear Insurance Association of Canada

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Alan Tonks

Thank you, Mr. Carroll, for your presentation.

We'll now move to the question and answer portion of our meeting, starting with Mr. Regan for seven minutes. We'll try to make the full round on the seven-minute question period.

Mr. Regan.

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you to the witnesses for appearing before us today and appearing from a long distance this evening, in Sweden.

Mr. Heysel, I hope I'm pronouncing your name correctly.

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Director, Nuclear Operations and Facilities, McMaster Nuclear Reactor, McMaster University

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Thank you.

You talked about the U.S. cap of $250,000. What is the cap that applies to you at the moment?

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Director, Nuclear Operations and Facilities, McMaster Nuclear Reactor, McMaster University

Christopher Heysel

Currently McMaster's cap is $1.5 million.

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

What is the cap that applies to the other universities?

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Director, Nuclear Operations and Facilities, McMaster Nuclear Reactor, McMaster University

Christopher Heysel

I'm not aware of what the other universities pay.

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Do you know how it's determined, or the basis? Is it per megawatt?

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Director, Nuclear Operations and Facilities, McMaster Nuclear Reactor, McMaster University

Christopher Heysel

I'm not sure how it's arrived at.

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

If I understand correctly, you're saying that the result of this bill would be to raise your cap from $1.5 million to $4 million approximately.

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Director, Nuclear Operations and Facilities, McMaster Nuclear Reactor, McMaster University

Christopher Heysel

About $3.6 million, I understand.

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Is this because of the bill itself, or the regulations the department is talking about with you?

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Director, Nuclear Operations and Facilities, McMaster Nuclear Reactor, McMaster University

Christopher Heysel

I think that's the number I was informed as being the target for McMaster.

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

The reason I ask is that my next question is whether you have any proposal in relation to an amendment to the bill that might deal with this problem.

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Director, Nuclear Operations and Facilities, McMaster Nuclear Reactor, McMaster University

Christopher Heysel

I don't have an amendment prepared. I was contacted last week, so I'm just trying to get up to speed with both the proposed bill in Canada and some of the international experience.

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

We've heard from some witnesses that there ought to be unlimited liability. What would the impact of that be on your operations?

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Director, Nuclear Operations and Facilities, McMaster Nuclear Reactor, McMaster University

Christopher Heysel

It would shut down all research reactors at universities in Canada.

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Would this bill and the proposed plan from the government have any impact on your proposal, which you brought forward to us last spring, to produce isotopes?

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Director, Nuclear Operations and Facilities, McMaster Nuclear Reactor, McMaster University

Christopher Heysel

It would increase the costs of the ability to produce isotopes. I'm not sure if we'd be reassessed on the new activities and our limit would change, but I would see it affecting our bottom line to make these isotopes.

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Has the government followed up on your proposal to make isotopes?

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Director, Nuclear Operations and Facilities, McMaster Nuclear Reactor, McMaster University

Christopher Heysel

We were asked to submit an expression of interest to the expert panel, which I understand is currently reviewing the various proposals in order to get back to the government in November.

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

So you haven't had an answer at this stage.

Mr. Walker, I think you were here for the first part of the meeting.

November 18th, 2009 / 5 p.m.

John Walker Legal Counsel, Walker Sorensen LLP, Nuclear Insurance Association of Canada

Yes, I was.

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

You heard the comments about the charter argument.

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Legal Counsel, Walker Sorensen LLP, Nuclear Insurance Association of Canada

John Walker

No, I'm sorry, I did not.