We would love to see an energy policy whereby you could force the big oil companies to build a refinery around.... Say, if they had three mines, they would have to have one refinery; if they have two mines, they would have to have an upgrader. I don't know; that's your bailiwick, not mine.
But if we say right now that we're just going to put the industry on hold while we build a refinery, I would point out that it would take you 10 or 12 years to build a new refinery. The engineering alone would take you four or five years, and then there's the environmental stuff.
Right now what we need is to move some bitumen, and then we have to get our heads around more upgrading, for sure. I don't know whether refining is in the cards, but certainly upgrading is in the cards, and there's basically as much work for us in an upgrader as there is in a refinery.