All right, but I will come back briefly to what my colleague Mr. Falk said.
We are talking about the role you play with companies, but I would like to know what your role is in commercialization. Some starts are like crossing the valley of death. There are many research projects, but it seems that everywhere, it is difficult to achieve commercialization.
Do you have a specific role to play? Do you have any examples or recommendations for commercialization, especially in the area of energy efficiency?