Thank you all for being here before us. I'm going to start with Mr. White and pick up on that energy manager theme.
You mentioned that UBC and BCIT train energy managers. In your company, I assume you hire people with that kind of expertise. I imagine you hire other sorts of engineers and technicians.
We've been hearing from other witnesses that this sort of training is very much needed in Canada. I just wonder if you can comment on that, the need for training for all sorts of levels of energy efficiency, for experts, be they just tradespeople or engineers or managers.