In terms of major infrastructure—because I think it's where you're heading here—let me give you an example. In Ontario, where there is a lot of curtailment, there would be a use to having a bulk storage element, let's say a pump storage or air storage of a few hundred megawatts. You could build that infrastructure right where it's needed at one of the nodules of the system, where it could actually store whatever energy that has been produced by the intermittent renewables, the ones we already have that we're curtailing and the future ones that we want to build to fully decarbonize our electricity system. For example, a pump storage project in the greater Toronto area would allow us to make use of that energy that is otherwise lost, and it would also provide another thing that is very important, all the ancillary services.
You asked earlier the question, what is the status of our system in Canada? That refers to the physical infrastructure, but we also have a certain commercial infrastructure around energy. Unfortunately, that commercial infrastructure is very oriented toward the value of energy, the kilowatt hour. That facilitates a lot of growth in the intermittent renewables, be they solar or wind, which is great, because we see a lot of penetration of those sources, but it does not reflect the true cost of having energy systems in our society.
You need to have stability, you need to be able to flex when somebody turns on the light or turns off the light. You need to have that and these forms of generation capacity do not provide that. There is an element that is built in those—