I think that's a good question. There are a number of programs in place, such as IFIT. I think that program really supported industry quite well, but that program is primarily for the companies to apply for and use to conduct their transformation projects. Universities can be included but cannot take a lead in those projects.
In a way, it's what your point is. Hopefully, there will be more grants available for universities to access and more work done towards these earlier-stage projects. The projects in the IFIT programs tend to be more at the late stage and ready to implement. What I'm saying is we need more support for those early-stage projects that may not have been developed fully and are not ready to be scaled up to a large scale yet, but still have a place to go and can be further incubated and tested out.