We put a lot of effort into the development of bioproducts, but more upstream, like the development of lignin, cellulosic materials, and so on. What is needed now is to bridge the gap with the end-user, so to help with communication and discussion between the biomass developer or transformer and the end-user like the automaker, the company that produces materials for construction, or the company that produces packaging. We're really trying to develop technology that bridges this gap and also put in place multi-party projects in which we can have all this—
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