This is where it is so important to have all the players all lined up, including the authorities and the politicians. Generally speaking, what we can certainly say, and say very clearly, is that our situation today is that, if we compare today's cost of so-called grey hydrogen from regular natural gas to what we are currently doing with elecrolysis, we end up with a product that is not expensive and that is top-of-the-line. That is how I would describe it, and therein lies the interest in scaling-up, of course.
Scaling-up provides us with three things. It means that we can drastically reduce the cost of the investment by automating the actual manufacture, such as with the electrolyzers. It also allows us also to reduce the price per kilo or per tonne of hydrogen that is produced and shipped to the point of end use.
Today, actually, we no longer worry about the competitiveness of a hydrogen solution in relation to any other kind of fuel. Hydrogen is already competitive for fuelling forklifts. For heavy transportation, we know that we are going to quickly reach that level of competitiveness. After that, everything will actually depend on the use made of it, using figures showing the frequency of use, the number of kilometres covered, and so on.
What actually happens is that price levels are not the same. They are dependent on geography, the input costs and the method by which the hydrogen is produced.