Evidence of meeting #4 for Natural Resources in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was industry.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Don Roberts  President and Chief Executive Officer, Nawitka Capital Advisors Ltd.
Tina Rasmussen  Corporate Development and Administration Officer, Meadow Lake Tribal Council Industrial Investments
Jeff Bromley  Chair, Wood Council, United Steelworkers
Jason Krips  President and Chief Executive Officer, Alberta Forest Products Association
Susan Yurkovich  President and Chief Executive Officer, British Columbia Council of Forest Industries
Sylvain Labbé  Chief Executive Officer, Quebec Wood Export Bureau

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

I call this meeting to order.

Thank you everybody for joining us. We're running a few minutes late, so we will jump right into it.

We have three witnesses who have been kind enough to give us some time today. From Meadow Lake Tribal Council Industrial Investments, we have Tina Rasmussen; from Nawitka Capital Advisors, we have Don Roberts; and from the United Steelworkers, we have Jeff Bromley.

Each of you is going to be given up to five minutes for opening remarks and then we'll open the floor to questions. You're free to speak in English or French. The translation service is available.

Why don't we jump right in?

Mr. Roberts, I happened to look at you first, so why don't you start us off?

11:10 a.m.

Don Roberts President and Chief Executive Officer, Nawitka Capital Advisors Ltd.

Thanks very much for the opportunity to speak to the committee today. I've been asked to discuss the economic recovery of the forestry sector with a special focus on pathways to a low-carbon future.

My name is Don Roberts. I'm the founder and CEO of Nawitka Capital. Nawitka Capital is an investment banking firm focusing on the renewable energy and clean technology sectors with a special emphasis on the emerging bioeconomy. I've been associated with the forest products sector for over 40 years. Prior to starting Nawitka in 2013, I was vice-chairman of investment banking with CIBC where I founded and led the bank's renewable energy and clean technology team.

I'm here to speak to the ongoing transformation of the Canadian forest sector through innovative uses of wood-based products and to try to propose some concrete measures to support Canada's goal to reduce carbon.

Where are the opportunities? In assessing the alternatives, I'd like to draw on the “Wood Fibre Futures” report, which I co-wrote earlier this year for the Government of New Zealand. The objective of that report was to show how forest resources could be leveraged to support New Zealand's move to a net zero emission economy by 2050. Quite frankly, the conclusions are equally applicable to Canada.

After reviewing over one hundred emerging products made from lower value woody biomass, we settled on two with the most commercial promise. The first is biocrude oil, which can be used directly for heat and power applications or further processed—and this is important—into a suite of transportation fuels, biochemicals and biomaterials. The second product is bio-coke, or torrefied wood, which can be used for steel-making.

The good news is that our Canadian forestry firms are already partnering with innovative Canadian biotech firms to construct biocrude oil plants. For example, Bioénergie AE, a joint venture between Quebec-based Arbec Forest Products and Ottawa-based Ensyn Technologies, built a 40-million litre biocrude plant in Côte-Nord, Quebec in 2018. Out west, Arbios Biotech, a joint venture between B.C.-based Canfor and Australia-based Licella, is currently considering the construction of a commercial biocrude plant in Prince George.

Although it's more of a niche market, bio-coke or torrefied wood can be used as a substitute for metallurgical coal and the production of iron and steel. Given the relatively high carbon intensity of traditional steel-making technologies, this could well be an attractive emerging market for lower quality wood from the forest sector.

Things are already happening here. ArcelorMittal, which is Dofasco's parent, is working to build a 50,000 tonne per year bio-coke plant in the Netherlands. Dofasco itself is currently working with several bio-coke technology providers to build a demonstration plant in their Canadian steel mill.

There's also a meaningful opportunity for products derived from high-value solid wood to reduce carbon emissions in the built environment. Specifically, the opportunity revolves around the ability to reduce carbon emissions through carbon sequestered, carbon avoided and carbon eliminated. I've identified specific technologies and products in my longer written submission.

What is the role of government here? In our view, the most effective policy tool to support the move to a low-carbon future is flexible regulation that focuses on a specific sector that emits a lot of carbon. Such regulation sets specific carbon intensity targets and then lets private sector actors figure out the best way to meet the targets. Compliance is facilitated through the use of tradeable carbon credits. Such flexible regulations, in our view, foster the most innovative use of technologies because the technology is feedstock agnostic. They leave decision-making in the hands of the private sector.

Importantly, especially given our COVID situation, such tools are not a direct cost to the public treasury since the burden of compliance is borne by the heavy carbon emitters. This is essentially an application of the “polluter pays” principle.

The Government of Canada is already working on the development of a clean fuel standard for specific sectors. Low-carbon fuel standards focusing just on the transport sector already exist in B.C., California and Germany. As documented by the International Energy Agency, the adoption of this policy tool is clearly a global trend.

To reach the full potential of the forest sector, we also recommend that policy-makers recognize the carbon emissions produced by construction and the carbon stored in the built environment. Like the case of low-carbon fuel standards, flexible regulations could be implemented to measure that carbon and incentivize behaviour to reduce emissions through smart material selection.

It's worth noting that a side benefit of this kind of policy applied to the Canadian built environment is that it could significantly expand the domestic market for Canadian solid wood, which would decrease the Canadian lumber industry's dependence on exports to the U.S. Given that the softwood lumber dispute between Canada and the U.S. is never going to end, a large Canadian market would be of considerable strategic value. This is particularly important when we realize—and I really mean this—that the cornerstone of a competitive forest sector, especially in temperate climates like Canada, is a competitive solid wood sector. That was a key conclusion of the “2008 Future Bio-pathways” study, which I in fact led on behalf of the Forest Products Association of Canada, the Government of Canada, and the provinces of Quebec, Ontario and B.C.

In conclusion, part of Canada's forest sector has been hit hard by the COVID shock. However, opportunities exist for a sustainable recovery to a lower-carbon future. The forest sector is really well positioned to punch above its weight. Having said that, a joint public and private sector effort is required to make this happen.

Those are my comments. I'm happy to be here today to answer any questions.

Thank you.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Thanks, Mr. Roberts.

Ms. Rasmussen, how about you going next?

11:15 a.m.

Tina Rasmussen Corporate Development and Administration Officer, Meadow Lake Tribal Council Industrial Investments

Good morning. Tansi, edlanet’e.

As introduced, my name is Tina Rasmussen. I'm a member of the Flying Dust First Nation, and I'm a corporate development and administration officer with MLTC Industrial Investments.

Thank you for inviting MLTC to present today.

The Meadow Lake Tribal Council, or MLTC, is located in northwest Saskatchewan. Our traditional territory spans from central Saskatchewan to the Northwest Territories border, on the western side of the province. We are made up of nine first nations, four of which are Dene-speaking and five of which are Cree-speaking.

MLTCII is the incorporated economic development arm of the tribal council. I'll give you a little bit of history about our organization.

In 1988, the leadership of the Meadow Lake Tribal Council invested in a dimensional sawmill located in Meadow Lake, Saskatchewan. They understood the potential to raise the first nations communities up through a local economic development opportunity using a local resource that grows on our traditional lands and the huge opportunity to develop indigenous employment in the forestry sector.

Through the years of ownership, the chiefs remained diligent in their determination to create a world-class forestry operation. In 1998, they purchased the remaining shares in the company to make it 100% indigenous owned.

Today the tribal council, through its economic development corporation, MLTC Industrial Investments, continues to operate the 100% indigenous-owned sawmill, NorSask Forest Products, which is a softwood lumber producer. NorSask produces 150-million board feet of dimensional lumber per year and has annual gross revenues of approximately $60 million.

The lion's share of the lumber produced—

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Ms. Rasmussen, can I interrupt you for a second? There seems to be some problem with your microphone. There's a lot of static coming through.

11:20 a.m.

Corporate Development and Administration Officer, Meadow Lake Tribal Council Industrial Investments

Tina Rasmussen

Okay. Sorry.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

It's still there.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Maninder Sidhu Liberal Brampton East, ON

Could you maybe unplug it and plug it back in?

11:20 a.m.

Corporate Development and Administration Officer, Meadow Lake Tribal Council Industrial Investments

Tina Rasmussen

Okay, I'll try that.

Is that any better?

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Yes. It's much better actually. That's perfect.

11:20 a.m.

Corporate Development and Administration Officer, Meadow Lake Tribal Council Industrial Investments

Tina Rasmussen

As I was saying, NorSask Forest Products was purchased by MLTC in 1998. NorSask produces 150-million board feet of dimensional lumber per year and has annual gross revenues of approximately $60 million. The lion's share of the lumber produced is sold into the U.S. market, and the revenues earned are funnelled back to the benefit of the nine first-nation owner communities.

In 2018, MLTC purchased L&M Wood Products, a producer of pressure-treated wood posts and rails. It was felt there was a significant need to ensure the best use of timber being harvested from traditional land.

The addition of the L&M plant saw greater flexibility in the use of small diameter and oversized softwood that was not usable in the NorSask mill. The most recent entry into the pressure-treated wood products market sees an annual gross revenue of approximately $10 million and a sizeable reduction in wasted timber.

To ensure that we have adequate timber supply for our plants, MLTC has a 30-year history with ownership in Mistik Management Ltd., a woodlands administration company. Mistik has ensured stakeholder consultations, sustainability and controlled harvesting practices as well as encouraging the development of indigenous-owned forest harvesting and transport companies to ensure that the raw material reaches the mill.

The result of controlling our own forest management practices is that MLTC is the most senior indigenous forest management and woodlands operator of a major forest tenure in the Canadian forest sector. The success and continued operation of our forest industries has not come without immense effort and tenacity.

NorSask Forest Products is a survivor, having weathered the multi-year U.S. housing market collapse in the mid-2000s. We believe that NorSask is the only sawmill operation in Saskatchewan that did not shut down from 2007 to 2012. Although many others shuttered and in some cases failed to reopen, upon the reopening of markets, NorSask took steps to upgrade its finishing operation to make it more competitive and better able to meet market demands for planed lumber.

In 2020 we face another challenge related to maintaining operations and safety of our personnel in the COVID era. We have continued our operations through the implementation of stringent safety protocols and by allowing for flexible staffing in the face of unplanned absences that may arise due to worker shortages complicated by COVID.

As in every industry, we do our best to continue to manage our business while keeping the best interests of our staff in mind. Today, MLTC has the largest and best known 100% indigenous-owned forest products manufacturing companies and forest management company in Canada.

Through the direct ownership of these industrial plants, MLTC has been able to encourage and support indigenous business development related to the forestry industry. Today, both timber harvesting and trucking companies exist that are indigenous owned and that employ many first nations and Métis people in our region.

Here is a quote from Shane Vermette, our executive director of the Ministry of Energy and Resources in Saskatchewan. He said, “Saskatchewan leads Canada, and MLTC leads Saskatchewan, by far when it comes to lndigenous forestry business development, lndigenous employment in the forestry sector, and percent of annual allowable cut allocated to lndigenous businesses”.

Federal and provincial statistics show that in Saskatchewan, 31% of the population employed in the forestry sector is indigenous in comparison with three per cent overall in Canada. Our major lumber exporting provinces—Alberta and British Columbia—operate with seven and five per cent aboriginal employment participation in forestry respectively.

The results in Saskatchewan are accomplished through a planned effort and direct focus on goals for moving a disadvantaged segment forward. In addition to the presence of a success story and industry influencer like NorSask Forest Products, Canada must focus on the need for indigenous peoples to participate in the economy where they reside rather than having the natural resources leaving the region and no advantage being given to the indigenous residents of the area.

In many instances, non-local and even multinational corporations are moving their own interests forward without indigenous participation. Prime Minister Trudeau has stated that “No relationship is more important to me and to Canada than the one with indigenous people”. It is time for a renewed nation-to-nation relationship with indigenous peoples based on recognition of rights, respect, co-operation and partnership.

If this is to be true, Canada must continue to implement effective measures and, where appropriate, special measures to ensure continuing improvement of the economic and social conditions of indigenous communities, including new indigenous ownership, growth and diversification in the Canadian forestry sector.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Ms. Rasmussen, I'm going to have to ask you to wrap up very quickly, please.

11:25 a.m.

Corporate Development and Administration Officer, Meadow Lake Tribal Council Industrial Investments

Tina Rasmussen

Okay.

The barriers that we see are the continued American tariffs. Most of our lumber is sold into the United States. We continue to see 20% tariffs. As a single sawmill operation, it's very difficult to endure.

Something else that we see as a barrier is....In order for indigenous people to get into business, they need opportunities to access funding. Grant funding currently provided through four forestry opportunities is very targeted, lacks a lot of imagination and lacks any type of flexibility to allow the first nations communities to participate.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

I may have to stop you there. We have a five-minute limit on opening remarks, and we're running a bit short on time already.

11:25 a.m.

Corporate Development and Administration Officer, Meadow Lake Tribal Council Industrial Investments

Tina Rasmussen

The last thing I want to mention has to do with the new carbon....

This is a good news story, and I think it's directly related to what the government is doing in the right direction. MLTC has announced and is currently constructing a new bioenergy cogeneration plant. That cogeneration plant has been supported by a $52.5-million grant from both the federal and provincial governments. That is attached to NorSask Forest Products. It's a new way in this new bioenergy opportunity to create new opportunities for our aboriginal communities.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Thank you very much.

Mr. Bromley, we go over to you for five minutes, please.

11:25 a.m.

Jeff Bromley Chair, Wood Council, United Steelworkers

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

On behalf of over 14,000 members of the United Steelworkers in the forest industry across the Canada, including over 80 members of my counterpart operation in NorSask Forest Products up in Meadow Lake, Saskatchewan, I thank the committee for the opportunity, for inviting us to contribute to your important work on the economic recovery of this critical and historic sector in Canada's economy.

My name is Jeff Bromley and I am the chair of the United Steelworkers Wood Council. It is a council of over 12 locals across the nation, representing, as I mentioned, 14,000 workers in the sector. I am a worker. I have been a representative of members, both in the Kootenays and now nationally with the United Steelworkers for the past eight years. The first 18 years, I was a worker within a sawmill in southeastern British Columbia that is still there to this day.

I have to say, though, that of the 26 years I've been in this industry, the last few have been some of the most turbulent to our industry and most impactful to workers in the forest industry.

The forest industry remains very important, obviously, to Canada's economy, the community it supports and the cultural fabric and history of our country. In total, it employs almost 210,000 Canadians across Canada. It directly contributed $23 billion to Canada's GDP in 2019. More than 600 communities rely on the forest industry. Of those, 300 communities rely on forestry for almost 50% of household income. About 160 communities are solely are reliant on forestry, and much of that in the more rural sectors of our country.

Our industry is increasingly under pressure from the U.S. softwood duties, forces of nature such as the pine beetle epidemic and the forest fires, fibre access issues and producer cash liquidity issues.

The sector exported over $36 billion in forest products globally. Of those exports, 68% are usually destined to the United States. To date, Canada has paid approximately $4.6 billion in softwood duties since 2017 when the devastating duties were implemented upon expiry of the last softwood lumber agreement. Of that $4.6 billion, $2.4 billion was from British Columbia, $500 million from Ontario, $800 million from Quebec, and the balance from the rest of the nation.

Since 2017, the job loss has been extensive. Almost 11,000 jobs have been lost industry-wide, over 1,000 USW jobs particularly at eight operations in British Columbia alone. There has been a 15% decrease in market access to the U.S. since the implementation of those duties. However, that gap has not gone away. It's not a vacuum. That gap has been filled, tariff free, by European nations.

Despite those challenges, the forest industry has a bright future in Canada. It just needs the federal government to help us get through this tough and difficult time. The world still needs wood products; we just need help to address these unfair duties that are reducing our competitiveness.

In terms of the future in the forest industry, products such as cross-laminated timbers, or CLT, and mass timbers have very good potential for value-added manufacturing. As opposed to concrete, construction with wood is a carbon net benefit to the planet, acting as a carbon sink, while forests are replenished following harvest by reforestation.

As the election results in the U.S. are finalized, it's time for Canada to focus on ending the softwood lumber dispute. Our Canadian industry needs a fair trade deal to provide certainty for industry and certainty for workers and the communities in which they live.

For different reasons than a change in U.S. administration, now is also the time to make permanent reforms to employment insurance, reforms for forestry workers and indeed all workers. Our written submission goes into much more detail, but the key points are that severance packages for those laid-off workers from closures and vacation entitlements for those who want to access their vacation pay during a layoff period should not impact or provide a barrier for their access to EI. Eligible hours must be lowered to allow for second EI claims in an industry that experiences extreme peaks and valleys. These initiatives, though approved by our current government on a temporary, one-year basis, need to be made permanent.

Canada also needs to be prepared to provide loan guarantees to companies that have paid duties. As part of a sustainable economic strategy, loan guarantees to forest companies must be made available equalling 75% of the amount they have have paid in duties. Despite recent increases and the success of larger forest product companies, many small mills are still suffering from weak cash flow.

However, I must clarify that any government support in this regard must be contingent upon supporting Canadian workers in Canadian communities. While the duties are earned from the lumber manufacturers and paid by the lumber manufacturers, support from the Canadian government in the interim must not enable multinational companies to invest any support anywhere else but in Canada and the provinces and communities they reside in.

That concludes my remarks, but I'm happy to answer any questions you have. I also encourage the members of the committee to visit our campaign website, forestryisforeveryone.ca.

Thank you.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Thanks very much, Mr. Bromley.

First up is somebody from the Conservatives, and I don't....

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

I have it.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

I'm going to begin with Tina Rasmussen. It's always great to see a fellow Saskatchewanian in committee, so thank you for being here.

Thank you to the other people for joining us as well.

Ms. Rasmussen, I want to touch on a few points here. Your tribal council has a diversifying industry. It owns companies that deal with different kinds of energy, ranging from biomass to oil delivery.

This committee is taking a closer look at forestry, obviously, so I'd like you to tell us how your forestry sector's economic output and employment levels compare to your other types of energy development.

11:35 a.m.

Corporate Development and Administration Officer, Meadow Lake Tribal Council Industrial Investments

Tina Rasmussen

MLTC has owned NorSask Forest Products for probably the longest of most of its companies, and it is the most developed in our organization, so of course it is the most organized and provides the best outputs for our communities in terms of employment development.

As I was saying in my statement, we've had the opportunity to take a by-product of the sawmill and turn it into a new development project in the whole bioenergy field in the form of a cogeneration plant where we're feeding 6.6 megawatts of energy directly into the SaskPower grid from pulp fuel waste that is currently being burnt in a 50-year-old beehive burner at NorSask.

To answer your question, we are finding that the forestry industry has created a multitude of gains for our MLTC in comparison with any of our other corporations, in oil and gas or any other type of energy.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

Along with COVID restrictions, there have been years of softwood lumber disputes with the U.S. Back in February, in his remarks to the international trade committee, your colleague Al Balisky, as president of industrial investments, described the situation as a “softwood lumber lack-of-agreement.” He also noted that the federal government is uniquely responsible for resolving these disputes and negotiating deals.

Has this situation changed for you at all since February?

11:35 a.m.

Corporate Development and Administration Officer, Meadow Lake Tribal Council Industrial Investments

Tina Rasmussen

No, it absolutely has not. We continue to suffer the impacts. Many larger corporations have diversified their portfolios by opening up plants in the U.S., thereby avoiding those tariffs, but with a small single corporation like NorSask Forest Products, we—MLTC—only have one plant, so we feel the full brunt of those tariffs. I think the last numbers provided by our general manager were somewhere in the neighbourhood of $14 million lost on revenue since 2017 due to the tariffs.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

Yes, that's a pretty substantial impact.

What community and social impacts does that have for the first nations who are part of the Meadow Lake Tribal Council?

11:35 a.m.

Corporate Development and Administration Officer, Meadow Lake Tribal Council Industrial Investments

Tina Rasmussen

Like any other first nation's economic development corporation, our goal is to provide revenue back to our home community. In our home communities, all of that revenue is used to support education, health care and economic development at a local level and for improvement to services. Every dollar that we're not able to keep, process and bring back to those home communities directly impacts those communities and the level of services in them. The chiefs and their councils make the decisions on what is developed on reserve, but they hire and invest in economic development opportunities to create those opportunities for their communities or to create those benefits for their home communities. It has a huge direct impact on communities.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

Yes, absolutely.

Has there been any concern about the workforce being shifted from forestry to the other sectors that you provide employment for? Are you losing workers in forestry because of these tariffs? Is that a concern?