Evidence of meeting #111 for Natural Resources in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was wells.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Adam Legge  President, Business Council of Alberta
Deborah Yedlin  President and Chief Executive Officer, Calgary Chamber of Commerce
Sean Strickland  Executive Director, Canada's Building Trades Unions
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Thomas Bigelow

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Mrs. Goodridge, I've given leeway to members, particularly Monsieur Simard, because of my inability to...or need for translation.

I see other members engaged in using points of order for debate. I encourage members to focus on points of order that are points of order and not to use them for debate. We have a lot of time.

We have a speaking order. You can put up your hand. I can put you on the speaking list, and you can debate away. Focus on relevance to the motion at hand—or to the amendment, in this case. I hope that's clear for everyone.

I will go back to you, Mrs. Stubbs.

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

Thank you, Chair. I appreciate that.

Maybe I'm buoyed a little by the parliamentary secretary's interjection there, if it seems like she would be amenable to this amendment, to this common-sense solution that Conservatives have offered to the motion she brought forward last week. Now she's saying not to put words in her mouth, and I wouldn't dare, but I'm just—

Viviane LaPointe Liberal Sudbury, ON

She said to put it to a vote.

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

I think we'll do that right after I make my argument. Thanks.

As we have been arguing now, at length, for three of these meetings, I hope that three days would be possible for experts to come to the table. For example, there are many facts that would need to be clarified, like exactly what the government means by orphan wells and whether it means inactive, suspended or terminated wells, and like what it means by abandoned wells and whether it actually means decommissioned wells. Those are the kinds of facts that every single Canadian concerned with these issues, right across the country, I think, would want to see our committee able to clarify with individuals at the table who know what they're talking about and who are experts in the field. Perhaps they can provide some clarity to this motion, given the wording in it that colleagues have, at length, litigated as being misinformation and disinformation.

I certainly support the removal of the preamble that way and support the amendment as suggested by my colleague.

Of course, I would hope, if colleagues are amenable to this solution, that we would prioritize hearing from indigenous contractors, indigenous communities and indigenous workers, who long throughout energy development have been partners, employers, employees and contractors. They are, in ever-increasing numbers, becoming equity owners in resource development and of course right across the supply chain as, by and large, small and medium-sized companies and contractors doing this work.

It seems to me that if the federal government is serious about this objective, then it would support representation by experts and regulators and by the provinces in which this work is being done, primary among them due to the federal failure here, the revocation of the money and the refusal to participate in terms of the extension of time and funding that the Treaty 6, Treaty 7 and Treaty 8 chiefs and the Albertan government asked for.

Given that there are 32 communities among which more than $100 million has been split, and given the opportunities available in the future for additional contractors and for indigenous communities to be engaged through the facilitating work by the Indian Resource Council, I think it would behoove members on this committee to hear about the kind of work going on in provinces right across the country, given that this is a reality across the country.

Those are the reasons I support my colleague's amendment, and I hope, in good faith, if every member of this committee is serious about environmental remediation and reclamation, and about indigenous economic opportunities, that this amendment will be supported. Hopefully, we can have an actual productive, informed and fact-based assessment at this committee, again, still knowing that we actually have not yet completed work on two previous studies. That is something I cautioned about from the very beginning—just moving to this work immediately—but I guess every individual member can account to their constituents when they feel they are not doing their jobs on committees and we can't seem to get reports out the door but are being moved on to different topics.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

I support the amendment—

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Mrs. Stubbs, we do have a point of order from Mr. Falk.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

My colleague is doing a wonderful job of explaining why this is probably a good motion, but I'm just wondering, when we get to the vote on it, where this would fit into the work schedule.

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Thank you.

I've talked about that, but on a point of order, procedurally, this isn't something we'll deal with now, Mr. Falk. However, you've identified what's happening in our next meeting.

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

I have a point of order.

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Yes, Mr. Angus. I'm going to come to you on a point of order.

Thank you, Mr. Falk.

Go ahead, Mr. Angus, on a point of order.

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

I'm just going to pick up on my colleague's thing about good faith. I've seen no good faith. I haven't been allowed to speak. There's a motion. They're talking the clock out.

I will not be voting for any motion the Conservatives are bringing forward unless we have a chance to talk about it. I'm not going to sit here and be their sock puppet. They have not allowed us to speak. There are good-faith motions we could bring forward, but since the clock is ticking and they've decided they're going to talk the clock down, I just want to know that, when you adjourn the meeting, we will have the ministers and we're not going to have to put up with this at our next meeting.

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Thank you.

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

Is that correct?

We're now down to two and a half minutes left.

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Thank you, Mr. Angus. As mentioned, the ministers will be coming on Monday, as scheduled. I think that clears that up.

Now I've forgotten where we were.

Yvonne Jones Liberal Labrador, NL

Mr. Chair, I'd like to support Mr. Angus in his comments—

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Do you have a point of order?

Yvonne Jones Liberal Labrador, NL

I'm speaking to his point of order.

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

We can't support points of order with points of order, but thank you for your suggestion.

Yvonne Jones Liberal Labrador, NL

I just want to support him, please.

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

I'm going to go back to Mrs. Stubbs.

Yvonne Jones Liberal Labrador, NL

I really want to support Mr. Angus in his motion.

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Thank you, Ms. Jones.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

You can't do a motion on a point of order.

Yvonne Jones Liberal Labrador, NL

It is a point of order. I'm sorry.