I'm sorry, but I'm just finishing off. My time is running out.
I'd say, then, that the $15.4 billion was a pretty accurate number.
I find it really hard to believe that suddenly all the money taps are going to turn off and we're going to meet our international commitments when I'm looking at a $15-billion spending spree this year to backstop oil and gas. This is not in line with what the Prime Minister has promised the international community. I am concerned about that.
I want to change topics in the few minutes I have left.
We had the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers come before us, and they said their vision for dealing with the climate crisis was to increase Canadian oil and gas exports. You hired Dave Collyer, the former president of CAPP, to your board. I believe he's on the environmental, social and governance advisory council.
Would you say that the views of CAPP and EDC are in line in terms of their vision that we need to vastly increase the export of Canadian oil and gas as a response to the climate crisis?