I don't have the figures for the rest of Canada, but in Quebec, every cubic metre that was processed into value-added products generated $220 in tax and paratax revenue last year.
A third of that revenue goes to the federal government and two-thirds goes to the provincial government. There is no doubt that the industry is capable of developing products that can replace single-use plastics or new green chemical applications, as Mr. Renou and Mr. Nighbor mentioned. Those things are essential.
There are still no regulatory content requirements underlying all that, so there's uncertainty, as Mr. Nighbor said. As far as the IFIT program goes, if Canada wants to be in the same league as Scandinavian countries or the U.S., it's not going to get there with $20 million to $50 million a year. It will take more like $2 billion to $3 billion a year to support the conversion of thermomechanical pulp into kraft pulp mills.