Natural Resources Committee on Oct. 30th, 2023

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Excuse me, I have not recognized any other member.

I will suspend momentarily and get back to the committee with more information.

Thank you.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

I call the meeting back to order.

There have been a number of points of order raised. I'm going to start to address those.

Standing Order 119 clearly states that a committee may determine whether a non-member may participate in proceedings:

Any member of the House who is not a member of a standing, special or legislative committee, may, unless the House or the committee concerned otherwise orders, take part in the public proceedings of the committee, but may not vote or move any motion, nor be a part of any quorum.

That is something I raised earlier today in the meeting as well.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Chair, I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

I'm going to finish what I was saying.

Given that committees are empowered to limit the participation of non-members, it is my opinion that the objections raised by Mr. Genuis constitute a point of order that does not touch on parliamentary privilege.

We will now move back to the subamendment.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

On a point of order, Chair, you already deemed it a matter of privilege. We have, in fact, been discussing—

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

This is not a—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Can I finish my point of order?

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Can he finish?

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

No, he can't.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

No, Chair. It's a point of order, and you should let me finish.

It's not a point of debate. I am making an argument about a matter of order, which is a point of order. Making an argument about a matter of order is not a point of debate. It is a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Genuis, I have made a ruling. You have the right. We are going to move forward to the subamendment, unless you are challenging the chair.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I am raising a point of order.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Mr. Chair, I'm challenging the chair.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I'm raising a point of order. I still have my point of order.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

I'm sorry, but just to clarify, if you challenge the chair, that has to be voted on. Mr. Genuis has to stop talking so we can vote.

Is that correct?

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I'll have my point of order.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

If that has to happen because no one let Mr. Genuis finish, then I will withdraw. Otherwise, just let him finish.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

My ruling is non-debatable. That's it.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I had a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

We're moving forward.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I have a point of order.

[An hon. member]

Aren't we voting?

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

The chair was challenged.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

No, I withdrew.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Ms. Stubbs asked for a vote. A vote has been called.