Natural Resources Committee on Oct. 30th, 2023

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Mr. Angus, I'm sorry. I'll just respond to that.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Speak just on the point of order, please.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

I'll just also respond to Mr. Angus.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

No, you're not going to get into debate.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

I want to apologize to him.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Speak on the point of order.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Would you guys let me get in a word now, or do the men both want to keep shouting at me?

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Just on the point of order....

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

I'll just refer to Charlie Angus, since he just made a point of order about what I just said.

I will say, I apologize, Mr. Angus. Thank you for that clarity that you were not involved in the Liberals' programming scheduling motion to dictate everything to this committee.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Point of order.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

I just assumed we had the confidence agreement in 2025.

Now I will continue my comments.

Mr. Genuis is correct about what occurred in this meeting—

[John Aldag, Liberal, Cloverdale—Langley City, BC]

Point of order.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

—and Mr. Williamson is correct about his point. All of this comes down to credibility that Canadians have in our democratic institutions—

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Ms. Stubbs, I'm going to ask you to hold, because we have a point of order.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

—and in the ability of members of Parliament to be able to represent the millions of Canadians who sent them here to do this job.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Thank you, Ms. Stubbs.

Do you have a point of order?

[John Aldag, Liberal, Cloverdale—Langley City, BC]

Yes, I do.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Okay, and then we have Ms. Dabrusin on a point of order.

[John Aldag, Liberal, Cloverdale—Langley City, BC]

It's just on what Ms. Stubbs said. She keeps calling it a programming motion, and that is not what was put forward.

I want to be really clear that this is not a programming motion. It was related to bringing forward an idea for scheduling. That's what the main motion is about. It's really important that we be factual. The Conservatives have raised several times the reference to this being a programming motion, and it's not. I just want that to be reflected in the record.

Thank you.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Thank you, Mr. Aldag, for that.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

That's not really a point of order.

I have a point of order on Mr. Aldag's comment.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

We'll go to Ms. Dabrusin on a point of order.

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

It seems to me that what I'm hearing from the members opposite.... It has been a long tactic of slowing this down. We are actually on a subamendment to a motion to schedule legislation from the House, which is standard procedure for people on a committee to do.

At this moment, the chair has ruled that Mr. Angus has the floor. That would allow us to go to the subamendment and finally get to the actual motion, unless the Conservatives continue to not want that to happen.

Are the members opposite challenging the chair? If so, then let's vote on it. If they are not challenging the chair, then let's go to Mr. Angus, because that was the chair's ruling.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Thank you, Ms. Dabrusin.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Point of order, Chair.