Natural Resources Committee on Oct. 30th, 2023

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Falk, we're getting into debate. I would ask you, if it is on a ruling that's been made—

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

My point of order was before the ruling was made, so I want to speak to my point of order.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

You can look at the video.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

You have a point of order on the speaking order.

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

Absolutely. I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

I've made a ruling, Mr. Falk, on the speaking order. Would you like to challenge the chair?

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

No. I had a point of order prior to you making this ruling. I think you need to recognize that point of order. That is the rule of the committee.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Falk, earlier I read a passage that was directly on the role of the chair.

I have made a ruling on the speaking order. The speaking order is that Mr. Angus has the floor. The ruling is that Mr. Angus has the floor.

I would like all colleagues to respect all committee members and allow them to be able to provide their interventions on the amendments that are on the floor. That is a ruling that I have made.

If a member wants to challenge the chair on that ruling—Mr. Falk, if you do, because yours was on that—I would ask you to do so, so that this committee can decide how to move forward on the specific ruling that was made.

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

Mr. Chair, here's the deal. I raised a point of order prior to your making that ruling. I wasn't given an opportunity to be heard before you made your decision. I think what we—

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

We're getting into debate now.

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

I'm raising my point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Okay.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Chair, for the interpreters, you wanted people to finish. Could you let Ted finish?

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Ms. Stubbs, I would ask you not to turn on your mike when I'm addressing—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Why don't you turn off your mike and let him speak?

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Yes.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

You're just making things up, Chair.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Stop speaking so Ted can finish.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

I would tell you, if it's on a previous point of order on which the ruling has been made, you can challenge the chair, Mr. Falk.

If you would like to challenge the chair, please go ahead.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

One day you're going to be here and we're going to be there, and the rules will protect you.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Mr. Chair, I do have the floor. Is that correct?

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

You do, but I just want to verify whether Mr. Falk is challenging the chair. Otherwise, we will be proceeding to Mr. Angus.

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

Mr. Chair, this is what I am doing, and this is why I was going to raise a point of order.

I want to ask you, sir, as the chair, to follow the rules of committee, to follow the rules of Parliament and to make the right decision. Mr. Genuis before very quickly articulated the last part of our previous meeting.

Excuse me, Charlie, do you have the floor?

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Actually, I do. Thank you very much. Can we carry on and actually do some work?

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

No, he doesn't actually. The point of order has the floor.

You should know better.