Natural Resources Committee on Oct. 30th, 2023

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Let's not bullshit anybody anymore. If we want to get on the schedule of dealing with these bills at this committee, let's go ahead and do that.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

I'm sorry. I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

I will ask you to hold. I will ask you to pause, because we are getting into debate.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

That's in fact what we were doing at the beginning of Monday. We're not going to keep participating in this charade while you guys pretend. It's also out in public for all Canadians to see that something is happening here that isn't—

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Ms. Stubbs, Mr. Angus has a point of order.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Thank you.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

I'm done.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Number one, we're now being subjected to what I think is some very unparliamentary and ugly language. This isn't a barroom.

The issue here—

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

I apologize, Mr. Angus. Of course, you dropped the F-bomb in three meetings.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Angus, can you hold for a second?

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Mr. Angus, you dropped the F-bomb four meetings ago. Let's talk about that next, if we have to.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Mr. Chair—

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Angus, could you hold for one second? Hold your thought.

Colleagues, I made this ruling earlier. We had a conversation. We are not going to speak over each other. It is very difficult for the interpreters. We had a number of folks with mikes on at the same time. It is very difficult for interpreters to interpret, but it's also for their health and safety, as was discussed earlier today and at the last meeting.

I want to make sure that, if we have a point of order, we stick to the procedural relevance of the point of order. Don't use it as debate, because that's what we're venturing into. Focus on the point of order at hand and why you raised it.

Mr. Angus, go ahead on the point of order.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

As I was saying, this is about our ability to do work at committee. The issue of a text message between two MPs in a previous week is irrelevant. Accusing me of swearing when I didn't is irrelevant. What is relevant here is an ongoing attempt to stop me from talking about legislation that is very important to Canadian workers.

Mr. Chair, I don't believe I heard anything relevant in that last intervention, other than an attempt to walk the clock out. I would like to ask you, Mr. Chair, to tell the members who have obstructed this committee that people have the opportunity to take the floor when they get the floor. They can filibuster then, if they want to. They cannot use these tactics to undermine, intimidate and swear at other MPs.

We're here to do a job for Canadian workers. They are watching, and people are frustrated.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Thank you, Mr. Angus.

I ask all colleagues to use parliamentary language in all meetings and that we conduct ourselves as parliamentarians, whether we're in the House of Commons or this committee room. It's important that we use parliamentary language and respect each other as colleagues. Have vigorous debates. That is important on issues of legislation.

We have a motion on the floor today on the Canadian sustainable jobs act, Bill C-50 and on the Atlantic accord bill, Bill C-49, an amendment, and a subamendment for Timmins.

All members have a right to participate.

Mr. Angus has the floor. He was unable to participate in the debate last meeting and is unable to today. I will once again—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I was in the middle of a point of order when you—

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

—for the members—

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I—

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Angus, before I recognize you—

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

I'm sorry. I'm just very keen.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

That's okay.

I will let members know that Mr. Angus has the floor. All members have an opportunity to participate and debate on all the amendments on the floor today—the motion, the amendment and the subamendment. We're on the subamendment.

If you want to participate, you can be recognized when your turn comes up. You will have an opportunity to be recognized at that point in time. At that point, you have the ability to make your interventions on the subamendment.

Now, Mr. Angus, you have the floor.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

On a point of order, Chair, I was in the middle of a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Angus, we did have another member on a point of order before we got into the additional points of order.

I want to go to Mr. Genuis first on his point of order. Then we'll go back to you on the speaking order, once we've gone through the points of order.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Thank you, Chair.