Evidence of meeting #80 for Natural Resources in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
Mr. Falk, a ruling has been made on the speaking order.
I am now going to go to Mr. Angus on a point of order.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
I have a point of order, Chair. I've been trying to get in a point of order since—
12:10 p.m.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Mr. Chair, I've been trying to raise a point of order since long before he did. You've been completely ignoring my point of order.
12:10 p.m.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
I am a duly subbed in and elected member of Parliament.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
I will go to you, Mr. Genuis, once I go to the point of order that Mr. Angus has on Mr. Falk's point of order.
Go ahead.
12:10 p.m.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
That's a stretch, but I'll let it go.
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NDP
Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON
I'm now into the second day of attempting to speak to legislation that was voted on by Parliament.
I am very concerned, number one, about the health and safety of our interpreters because of the abusive behaviour of the Conservatives. Also, there's the abusive behaviour of attempting to undermine the chair to limit the right of other members to speak. You ruled that I had the floor at the last meeting. I was shut down from speaking by these constant interruptions. I am now over an hour into this attempting to do my good faith diligence on Bill C-50 and BillC-49.
I'm asking, since you have ruled, that we shut down this obvious attempt at intimidation. I would like to hear from my other colleagues, too. We have to move on. This legislation is important to all of us, to Canadians and in particular Canadian workers, who are very frustrated by these tactics to stop us from making sure that workers have a seat at the table.
12:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
Mr. Angus, we are getting into debate.
Procedurally we have recognized that Mr. Angus has the floor on the subamendment, which is on Timmins. I know a number of folks want to speak to this subamendment. Then we also have an amendment that was presented and then the main motion. I'm hoping we can get to that point to have that conversation. I hope that today we can get to that point.
12:10 p.m.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Mr. Chair, you said you would come to me on a point of order.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
Mr. Angus, you do have the floor, but we do have other points of order, so I'm going to go to a point of order. Then we will proceed moving forward with you having the floor.
October 30th, 2023 / 12:10 p.m.
Conservative
John Williamson Conservative New Brunswick Southwest, NB
Mr. Chair, I have a point of order following Mr. Genuis. I just want to get on the list as well.
I'm trying to be respectful, Chair. I'm trying not to speak over anyone else, but I do want to be noted as having a point of order after Mr. Genuis.
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Liberal
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Thank you, Chair.
There are actually three matters of order that I have been trying to raise.
The first is that during points of order, members are entitled to make arguments about matters of order. Arguments about matters of order are not points of debate. It happened during Mr. Falk's intervention that you and others suggested he was venturing into debate when he was, in fact, making substantive arguments in relation to the rules and matters of order.
Engaging in debate is when you use points of order to make points about the topic that don't have anything to do with the rules, something like what Mr. Angus just did when he was speaking about the legislation and his views on the legislation.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
That is venturing into debate, but what Mr. Falk was doing was speaking about the rules and making arguments, and that's what I'm doing now as well.
12:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
Mr. Genuis, if I may, I'll ask you to pause.
Mr. Angus, if you could, be very succinct on the point of order, please.
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NDP
Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON
This is about our right as MPs to participate in debate. It has been ruled that Mr. Genuis didn't have a leg to stand on.
Either they challenge the chair or they stop obstructing, because this is what it is. It's obstructing my right as an MP to speak to important legislation. When I try and explain the importance of that legislation, they are getting up on more points of order.
I think you need to—
12:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
Thank you.
We are getting into debate, Mr. Angus. Thank you for your point of order.
Do you have a point of order, Ms. Stubbs, on Mr. Genuis's—
12:10 p.m.
Conservative
Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB
Yes, I have a point of order, Chair.
Of course, the top of Monday's meeting, which is technically still this meeting, was about scheduling. My immediate response, of course, was about an amendment to add to the schedule for this committee business in the exact order that you guys brought in and passed legislation, which was Bill C-49 first and Bill C-50 after. That's what started Monday.
What has elapsed since is hours and hours of NDP and Liberal MPs trying to kick off and shut down Conservative members of Parliament on this committee who have a right to be here. That's what we're talking about now.
12:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
Ms. Stubbs, we are getting into debate, but we do have a point of order from Ms. Dabrusin.
Ms. Dabrusin, on the point of order.
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Liberal
Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON
For days now, as Ms. Stubbs has correctly pointed out, we have been unable to go ahead with a basic motion that comes to all committees when there's government legislation that has been voted upon.
You have made a ruling that Mr. Angus has the floor. We have been unable to get to that.
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Conservative